vreitti Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: I'm not sure if the words 'complete overhaul' were used. I think you've extrapolated that from very little. Sorry about that mate 1 hour ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: Back on topic - you think Steve Bruce is and I quote, "decent". So why do you hope our first decent manager in arguably seven years is fired in the summer? I think I've explained this a million times, but I'll gladly do it again. I simply think Bruce is a relic of a manager. His tactics are generally negative and outdated. He doesn't seem to know how to build a team, or settle on a formation. He's awful at reacting when things change during a game. He inherited plenty of quality, and after a promising start, it became evident he didn't have a clue. At one point I was seriously thinking does he ever go and oversee our training, because he could never figure out a best first eleven. Then in January, when we still had a solid chance (positionwise) of reaching the playoffs, he goes and buys an entirely new team. Then tries to breed them all in at once, crippling our last bit of hope for promotion. Add to that fall outs with several players, and the reintroduction of Gabby in particular, which was nothing short of mind-blowing. I'm sure we'd have had to endure plenty of Richards as well, if he wasn't injured. These players being a major reason for our recent downfall. I keep thinking Bruce was hired to bring stability to the club, instead he's had quite the opposite effect. I know you, and many other feel he needs more time. I don't. But as I've stated, there's really no harm anymore in giving him the remainder of the season, as we have nothing to play for. I'll admit, I'm intrigued myself to see what happens going forward, so for that reason alone I wouldn't sack him until the summer. Fwiw I do like him as a person. Edited March 6, 2017 by vreitti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 26 minutes ago, dont_do_it_doug. said: You've not watched West Brom much have you lately? I'd take Evans, Foster, Chadli, Livermore, MaCauly, Fletcher, Phillips, Brunt, Morrison and Dawson without even thinking twice about it. They might not all be automatic first choice on any given day, but I suspect the majority would walk in. Waaaaay OT again though. Apologies! I have. In fact I've probably seen 10 or more of their games. I respect your opinion, but don't agree. McCauley & Brunt have been good IMO. Still wouldn't swap them for say Chester & Adomah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 1 minute ago, vreitti said: I have. In fact I've probably seen 10 or more of their games. I respect your opinion, but don't agree. McCauley & Brunt have been good IMO. Still wouldn't swap them for say Chester & Adomah. I'd take brunt ahead of adomah anyway . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 None of our players get into the West Brom first team. Let's not start overrating our players here. IMO we should be in the playoffs but there's a big difference between that and Premier League standard. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vreitti Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) Fair enough. I'm all alone in this. I do believe the lowered expectation levels are playing tricks with your minds! Ask yourself, is Morrison a better footballer than Hourihane? Is Rondon really better than Kodija? Just because WBA are in the Premier League, it's not automatically because they have better players on an individual level than we do. As a team, they're of course miles better than us. That's undeniable. Sorry for the OT. Edited March 6, 2017 by vreitti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, vreitti said: Fair enough. I'm all alone in this. I do believe the lowered expectation levels are playing tricks with your minds! Ask yourself, is Morrison a better footballer than Hourihane? Is Rondon really better than Kodija? Just because WBA are in the Premier League, it's not automatically because they have better players on an individual level than we do. As a team, they're of course miles better than us. That's undeniable. Sorry for the OT. Yes on both accounts IMO. Morrison is very underrated and has done a very good job at premier league level for a number of years. Rondon is proven at a much higher level than Kodjia. I've invariably been impressed with him whenever I've seen him play, he's an absolute handful and would probably score more goals for West Brom if he wasn't playing under such a negative manager. Edited March 6, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, vreitti said: Fair enough. I'm all alone in this. I do believe the lowered expectation levels are playing tricks with your minds! Ask yourself, is Morrison a better footballer than Hourihane? Is Rondon really better than Kodija? Just because WBA are in the Premier League, it's not automatically because they have better players on an individual level than we do. As a team, they're of course miles better than us. That's undeniable. Sorry for the OT. This is a great point to be honest. We have been grossly mismanaged over the years. Wasted lots of very talented players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 21 minutes ago, vreitti said: Fair enough. I'm all alone in this. I do believe the lowered expectation levels are playing tricks with your minds! Ask yourself, is Morrison a better footballer than Hourihane? Is Rondon really better than Kodija? Just because WBA are in the Premier League, it's not automatically because they have better players on an individual level than we do. As a team, they're of course miles better than us. That's undeniable. Sorry for the OT. Impossible to say for sure but where do you feel this squad would be under pulis and West brom would be under Bruce? Edited March 6, 2017 by Eastie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Making out that some of our players are better than a team sitting 8th in the prem is astonishing Wba have been better than us for years and showed us up in terms of spending and wages in comparison It's a very sad state of affairs but they are the pride of the Midlands at the moment whether we like it or not Our overrated and overcharged squad got shown up by Brentford.. A team in their 127 year history who have not spent what we have what we have this season... It's frankly a joke when you look at it from that perspective Round was saying Wyness is a strong negotiator.. I pisses myself laughing so hard... With the money we have been offering to clubs for players is there anything to negotiate? We are practically giving them everything they want and more.. They must be pissing themselves laughing... And then laughing even harder If you are Brentford and barnsley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srsmithusa Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 for all you rating every west ham player, what do you think of that Steve Bruce fella. His name is at the top of this thread so you may have heard of him. He's been in all the papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 14 minutes ago, srsmithusa said: for all you rating every west ham player, what do you think of that Steve Bruce fella. His name is at the top of this thread so you may have heard of him. He's been in all the papers. Mods he's well off topic! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjvilla Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 39 minutes ago, JE- said: And then laughing even harder If you are Brentford and barnsley Arguably Brentford yes, but which part of the Barnsley deals will their fans be laughing at the hardest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 6, 2017 Moderator Share Posted March 6, 2017 Our best player this season has been Chester, who the Yam yams got rid of as they had better (in their view). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMAICAN-VILLAN Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, JE- said: Making out that some of our players are better than a team sitting 8th in the prem is astonishing If only it were that straightforward hey? A team called Tottenham signed one of their best players/ if not best from a team in League 1/ 2?. Delle Ali? I am sure there are many examples of the same. It is never black and white in football, and it is naive to pretend it is just to suit an argument. Edited March 6, 2017 by JAMAICAN-VILLAN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Eastie said: There is not a great deal between the top 8 of the championship and the bottom 8 of the premiership . Well last seasons bottom of those 8 PL teams are nowhere near the 8th place of the top Ch teams this year Edited March 6, 2017 by Grasshopper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastie Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Grasshopper said: Well last seasons bottom of those 8 PL teams are nowhere near the 8th place of the top Ch teams this year Quite possible we could be in the next few weeks - a solid finish to the Season will stand us in good stead to push on in August Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grasshopper Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 admire the optimism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE- Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Kodja has one goal more than Cameron Jerome... I think we need to put it into perspective about how well our players are performing Chris wood also cost Leeds 3m I think.. Look how many goals he's scoring.. Is he prem level? No I don't think he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Yes on both accounts IMO. Morrison is very underrated and has done a very good job at premier league level for a number of years. Rondon is proven at a much higher level than Kodjia. I've invariably been impressed with him whenever I've seen him play, he's an absolute handful and would probably score more goals for West Brom if he wasn't playing under such a negative manager. Disagree on Rondon. Awful footballer. He hasn't scored in what, 16 games? He's crap and he's holding them back. Rondon is not proven in any way, shape or form and I'd have Kodjia over him. Yes, at a team in 8th in the PL. On the Pulis thing, he's had over 2 years there now. It's easy to say they're a better team than us, of course they are. They've had stability in the Premier League. I'm not saying stability is a guarantee, but it's a darn sight better than what we've had over the last however many years. If Steve Bruce is doing only an average job with this squad we should go up next year, I'd back him to do that and rather that than yet another roll of the dice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, JE- said: Kodja has one goal more than Cameron Jerome... I think we need to put it into perspective about how well our players are performing Chris wood also cost Leeds 3m I think.. Look how many goals he's scoring.. Is he prem level? No I don't think he is Why are you picking on Kodjia? Makes zero sense to me, but hey ho. Surely this berating of the players only strengthens Steve Bruce's case? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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