Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2018 I'm sure if he's anywhere close to being able to make a contribution then Smith will give him every chance, just like Bruce did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I'm sure if he's anywhere close to being able to make a contribution then Smith will give him every chance, just like Bruce did. He’s going to throw him under the bus? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 16, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, DaveAV1 said: He’s going to throw him under the bus? Ross threw himself under the bus. Don’t do what the other Dave does and ask the same questions over and over again in this thread. He got more than one chance under Bruce and he didn’t take it. If he gets ANOTHER chance under Dean Smith then it’s more than he deserves. I hope he takes it. In reality I expect his last villa game was a long time ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveAV1 Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 45 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Ross threw himself under the bus. Don’t do what the other Dave does and ask the same questions over and over again in this thread. He got more than one chance under Bruce and he didn’t take it. If he gets ANOTHER chance under Dean Smith then it’s more than he deserves. I hope he takes it. In reality I expect his last villa game was a long time ago I wasn’t aware the question had been asked before. My gripe with the whole affair was that it shouldn’t have been so public, not to protect RMC, but to protect the club’s investment. Dirty washing in public and all that. I agree with the rest of your post though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Odd comments once again - I personally consider a forum a great place to ask the same questions as frequently as you wish - regardless of whether it suits someone else's agenda surely? New members join all the time and might wish to participate in healthy debate - I thought everyone would welcome this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 17, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 17, 2018 On 16/12/2018 at 21:18, DaveAV1 said: I wasn’t aware the question had been asked before. My gripe with the whole affair was that it shouldn’t have been so public, not to protect RMC, but to protect the club’s investment. Dirty washing in public and all that. I agree with the rest of your post though. It's never nice for things to be aired in public. But I don't think Bruce made it public. The story about the gate got out and Bruce answered questions about it. I don't think he deliberately threw Ross under the bus publically. I think it was mostly conducted behind the scenes. Ross clearly had his chances but eventually the club gave up. By all accounts Ross only has himself to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted December 18, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 hours ago, Stevo985 said: It's never nice for things to be aired in public. But I don't think Bruce made it public. The story about the gate got out and Bruce answered questions about it I wonder who did make it public? Well I don’t really. It’s not hard to guess. It was dumb move, perhaps driven by complete frustration with the player’s “lifestyle”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, blandy said: I wonder who did make it public? Well I don’t really. It’s not hard to guess. It was dumb move, perhaps driven by complete frustration with the player’s “lifestyle”. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 @Stevo985 I really think I should take you to task over this thread. With respect Stevo - you criticise me for posting in this thread with the " same questions " yet you don't seem to acknowledge that pretty much every time this thread is raised - your on here giving your opinion that everything is Ross's fault - he's had more chances than he deserved etc etc. What's the difference ? But I don't criticise you for doing thing this - if that's how you feel - that's fine. I remember when you used to call me obsessive for posting re: Gabby - I won't but I think with some justification I could say the same about you and this post? @Stevo985 again with respect I feel you at times have difficulty in accepting that I and others do not share your view and will challenge you at times. This is not your forum it's everyones and this is what makes it a good place to be part of - would you not agree? Without differences of opinion there is no VT. Anyway back to Ross - the first time I knew anything about any issues surrounding him - came after wolves away and it appeared to snow ball from there. You might be privy to information regarding Ross and his circumstances before the wolves game - but I don't think you have shared this here? - although I will happily stand corrected if so. For the record this is my view of the situation - Ross has been out of order and made mistakes as I'm told via the media - I am happy to accept this account - but equally I think Bruce does not come out of this smelling of roses either and it could and should have been handled differently and away from the glare of publicity. with reference to the olive branch scenario - something you appear to dismiss at every possible juncture - if Dean Smith feels that he might be able to harvest Ross's talents in a positive and meaningful manner that benefits Aston Villa - why would this be a bad thing ? This surprises me that you might think otherwise. Having said this is he not on a season long loan? - so it wouldn't be happening anytime soon - and neither do I expect to see him in a Villa shirt again. Its a sorry saga all round with both parties needing to take a long look at themselves in my humble opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lerner's Driver Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 9 hours ago, Stevo985 said: It's never nice for things to be aired in public. Sometimes it's for the best, certainly where my decades old lucky grundies are concerned, but more to the point @Stevo985, I'm guessing you would recuse your endlessly repeating beef with Dave from the above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted December 18, 2018 VT Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Lerner's Driver said: Sometimes it's for the best, certainly where my decades old lucky grundies are concerned, but more to the point @Stevo985, I'm guessing you would recuse your endlessly repeating beef with Dave from the above? I have no beef with Dave. I just can't read Dave's posts anymore. It was his infuriating repetitiveness in this thread, despite everybody answering his same question over and over and over again, that forced me to put him on the ignore list. Nothing against him personally. I assume he's still wondering why Bruce never offered Ross an "olive branch" (even though he did). I'll bet he somehow managed to drop Gabby Agbonlahor into the post as well. He's free to post whatever he likes, of course. I just don't want to read it anymore. Edited December 18, 2018 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Cannot wait for this thread to be moved into other football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave J Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 22 hours ago, Stevo985 said: I have no beef with Dave. I just can't read Dave's posts anymore. It was his infuriating repetitiveness in this thread, despite everybody answering his same question over and over and over again, that forced me to put him on the ignore list. Nothing against him personally. I assume he's still wondering why Bruce never offered Ross an "olive branch" (even though he did). I'll bet he somehow managed to drop Gabby Agbonlahor into the post as well. He's free to post whatever he likes, of course. I just don't want to read it anymore. If ever there was a more classic case in point. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Apparently Motherwell are in talks to take him. Let them have for free and get him off the wage bill. Hopefully this cretin leaves for good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Apparently Motherwell are in talks to take him. Let them have for free and get him off the wage bill. Hopefully this cretin leaves for good. At the end of the season? As I thought he was playing in Oz until May? It would only be another loan Dem and Yes he has been spotted watching Motherwell vs Hamilton and it would appear both parties are keen for a move it seems. RMC would need to get over his current injury. And The current loan deal would need to be ended in order for his new loan one to Motherwell to go through. No matter what or where he goes we will still be footing the majority of his wages anyway so he won't be off the wage bill.. just out the way for now. His Villa career is done and has been for a long time. Roll on June 2020. Edited December 31, 2018 by AvfcRigo82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pas5898 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Can't see Motherwell paying a lot to his wages. When does his contract with actually end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, pas5898 said: Can't see Motherwell paying a lot to his wages. When does his contract with actually end? They won't be because they cannot afford to. We will likely be paying 70-80% of the wages just to keep him away. His contract at Mariners ends in May 2019, all parties must be trying to end it to make his Motherwell loan happen (if the rumours have any ground). We are contractually stuck with him for the next 16 months unless some gormless fool pays us £2m fee to sign him - but why should they when they can loan him for free and Villa pays upto 80% of his wages. Another disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, AvfcRigo82 said: At the end of the season? As I thought he was playing in Oz until May? It would only be another loan Dem and Yes he has been spotted watching Motherwell vs Hamilton and it would appear both parties are keen for a move it seems. RMC would need to get over his current injury. And The current loan deal would need to be ended in order for his new loan one to Motherwell to go through. No matter what or where he goes we will still be footing the majority of his wages anyway so he won't be off the wage bill.. just out the way for now. His Villa career is done and has been for a long time. Roll on June 2020. Let them have him for free and we pay like 10k or 20k of his wages tops for 12 months. I'm sure a club woukd come in under those terms surely? I dont know what sort of budget Motherwell have. But between this and that other oaf richards its 100k a week or close to. Sickening 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvfcRigo82 Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I dont know what sort of budget Motherwell have. If I had to hazard a guess i'd say £141 from the revenue of the last game's gate reciepts, half a bottle of Famous Grouse, and a Wham bar. Villa will be paying the majority of his wages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 31, 2018 Moderator Share Posted December 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, AvfcRigo82 said: If I had to hazard a guess i'd say £141 from the revenue of the last game's gate reciepts, half a bottle of Famous Grouse, and a Wham bar. Villa will be paying the majority of his wages. I’d still take it. Wham bars and Famous Grouse will be the currency post Brexit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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