Tony Xia (no longer involved with AVFC)

[Jareth]

19 minutes ago, Richard said:

I'm not running a negative campaign FFS. I am expressing my opinions.

Got anything positive to say about the owner then?

[Richard]

3 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Got anything positive to say about the owner then?

Suggest you check out a post I made about fifty pages ago! But regardless of that what does it matter if I do or don't? It does not constitute a campaign , very much like the posts criticising me don't constitute a campaign 

Edited August 4, 2016 by Richard

[DCJonah]

29 minutes ago, Richard said:

I'm not running a negative campaign FFS. I am expressing my opinions.

Which are negative and expressed in a negative way. 

What are you still worried or concerned  about?

 

[terrytini]

1 hour ago, Jareth said:

Tony's putting money, enthusiasm, positivity and yes, a bit of fight (with knobbers like Holloway) into Villa - on the back of the most miserable period I've ever known as a villa fan. Not your idea of a good owner? Even though he just broke the division transfer record to bring us the best striker in the league? Even though he tweets passionately every day about the club and defends it against 'football experts' with a grudge against AVFC? Even though your average fan can tell him about a fault on the website and he personally tells the CEO to sort it out? You are losing your unsubstantiated negative campaign against the owner every day that passes with 'naive' Tony in charge and Villa on the up.  

None of my business really but in the same way I accept you have every right to feel happy don't you think Richard and others have every right to be concerned, cautious, or even, if they wanted to be, 'anti', without this ?  I  don't agree with some of Richards views but feelhe, and those who are sceptical (as I am about certain things) have just as much right, and reason , to be, as those who are not - without it becoming a question of who is 'winning' and 'losing'.....from whichever angle we approach it we all have exactly the same interests at heart ?

[Pilchard]

Why has this become what feels like witch-hunt against @Richard? He isn't 100% sure on Xia. So what? Why should he have to directly be addressed by people for having a 'different' view to the majority? He explains why and even if you disagree with it, he gives his reasoning which is more than others do on either 'side' (Not that their should be sides just because there are slightly differing opinions. It feels like sometimes people take what is said about the club personally.

Please, lets not fall into the trap of stereotyping or aggression towards another. Whatever we think, I presume we all want success (well, a couple of wins would be a start). Xia may work out, it may not. The signing of McCormack may work, it may not. It may be financed by the previous two sales, it may not.

But lets just enjoy the signing of a player who has scored buckets at this level, for a record fee in this division, is the joint second highest fee we've paid out and unlike last summer seems to have been driven purely by the manager rather than any other uncomfortable set up. Being relegated it would have been easy to pocket that money for a 'rainy day'. But we've spent it. And if it wasn't the cash from the two sales, then it's a strong display of ambition.

Let's enjoy it (at least until Sunday when Wednesday hoof us and we remember what supporting Aston Villa is really like).

Edited August 4, 2016 by Pilchard

[useless]

Not everyone has to agree. If your so sure in your own believes on the matter of Xia, then you shouldn't worry too much about what others think.

[Jareth]

12 minutes ago, Richard said:

Suggest you check out a post I made about fifty pages ago! But regardless of that what does it matter if I do or don't? It does not constitute a campaign , very much like the posts criticising me don't constitute a campaign 

Ok, I outlined why Tony is a good owner, on 3 different points, please outline your opinion on why you think he is a bad owner, on 3 different points. 

[useless]

Not saying you shouldn't listen to other's opinion of course. I'm a great listener myself.

[Pilchard]

5 minutes ago, Jareth said:

Ok, I outlined why Tony is a good owner, on 3 different points, please outline your opinion on why you think he is a bad owner, on 3 different points. 

I'm not answering for Richard so please if I'm wrong forgive me - but isn't it the idea that one month into his ownership it's too early to say either way? Like if I was to go into the RDM thread and demand he was sacked I'd be laughed out of it because I haven't given him the time? Ultimately an owner, like a manager, players will be judged on the results the team gets and it's standing in the league (and which league they are in).

[Guest av1]

18 minutes ago, Richard said:

It does not constitute a campaign, very much like the posts criticising me don't constitute a campaign 

You haven't seen my 'cheer up Richard' campaign on Twitter then? 

[dounavilla]

44 minutes ago, Gary Thomas said:

About 50,000 villa fans?

[NurembergVillan]

2 hours ago, Richard said:

Dave come on,  despite popular opinion on here I am not thick.

Can't recall seeing anyone calling you thick.  People may not agree with you, but I can't think anyone has levelled that at you let alone it being "popular opinion".

[Richard]

1 minute ago, NurembergVillan said:

Can't recall seeing anyone calling you thick.  People may not agree with you, but I can't think anyone has levelled that at you let alone it being "popular opinion".

That's certainly the impression that comes across .

[a m ole]

that's what someone being negative would say.

[Jareth]

33 minutes ago, Pilchard said:

I'm not answering for Richard so please if I'm wrong forgive me - but isn't it the idea that one month into his ownership it's too early to say either way? Like if I was to go into the RDM thread and demand he was sacked I'd be laughed out of it because I haven't given him the time? Ultimately an owner, like a manager, players will be judged on the results the team gets and it's standing in the league (and which league they are in).

I have to ask myself why I take exception at Richard's comments, and the reason I do is because I base my own opinion on the facts on the ground. Up until yesterday I could accept there was a reasonable case to doubt Tony going on his transfer business, lots of words but no action. Then on the day we make possibly the most important signing of the last 5 years, the day that Tony does back-up his words with actions - it has no impact on Richard whatsoever - he maintains a sceptical stance. That is why I feel compelled to counter every negative post he makes, because if they are not based on the facts, then what are they based on? Maybe Richard can answer that one himself. 

[Pilchard]

13 minutes ago, Jareth said:

I have to ask myself why I take exception at Richard's comments, and the reason I do is because I base my own opinion on the facts on the ground. Up until yesterday I could accept there was a reasonable case to doubt Tony going on his transfer business, lots of words but no action. Then on the day we make possibly the most important signing of the last 5 years, the day that Tony does back-up his words with actions - it has no impact on Richard whatsoever - he maintains a sceptical stance. That is why I feel compelled to counter every negative post he makes, because if they are not based on the facts, then what are they based on? Maybe Richard can answer that one himself. 

The thing is - we all base our opinions on what we see the facts on the ground are. The people who think 9/11 was caused by the American government believe what they think because of what they see as facts - the rest of us see it as total bunkum and that they are fruit loops. 

I am skeptical of Xia. I'm not sure on the people around him, I'm not sure on the managerial appointment. I'm not sure whether he is the right type of owner. Let's see what it brings. I think that's where he is coming from. Rather than saying 'HE IS A FRAUD' isn't it more 'HE ISN'T BRILLIANT' as we simply haven't the time or games to see how AVFC have moved on. He might be brilliant, and that isn't being ruled out. If it was then yes, I'd agree that was negative.

It's also a little contradictive to complain about negativity, then hound him for answers, knowing his view point already riles you so much. You are only winding yourself up there.

Anyway, Richard is big enough and ugly enough (incoming warning for abuse, no doubt) to stand up for himself. Just this place is a bit easier to read and much more fun to participate in when we don't have people hounding the same usual people for the same usual reasons, and it'd be nice to go into a new season trying to at least respect each other, even if you think their opinion is a load of dog turd.

I'll go back to being a miserable, moaning git now. 

 

Edited August 4, 2016 by Pilchard

[Deisler123]

If I may say something -

From the day of take over, Xia didn't do too many wrong things. Posting controversial messages on twitter is one, in my opinion. He retracted those messages, number 2. Late appointment of TD, number 3 (which may not be neccessarily his fault tbh). 

Similarly, Xia didn't do too many things that are applaudible either. Communicating with fans on twitter is one (although some fans believe talking too much is no good, which I agree). Spending good money in transfer market is number 2. Showing enthusiasm and the effort in uniting fans are number 3.

It is way too early to make any judgement on the new owner, before the ball is even kicked. I saw some posts on twitter (on VT as well) talking about 5+7=12 (good maths though) so they assumed Xia has no money - Bullshit. Equally, someone already called Xia a good owner - too early.

I personally will wait till Mid September to make my own judgement - first 7-10 games; transfer market; loan market, and most importantly, how he deals with difficulty if the team does not perform well.

What I fear most, is the impatience, possibly because of a few miserable seasons in the past, or because people simply don't like the owner, or any other reasons I dont know. What happens if Villa lose 2 of the first three matches? What happens by Xmas Villa is not in top 5? I don't think fans will necessarily have to 'boo' at VP if Villa lose a few games before October, so let's stay /cautiously/ optimistic now before proven otherwise.

If Villa is in the bottom half by Xmas time, I will join you guys to boo at VP (but I guess I'd better disappear by then....), but before that, UTV.

[dounavilla]

2 minutes ago, Pilchard said:

The thing is - we all base our opinions on what we see the facts on the ground are. The people who think 9/11 was caused by the American government believe what they think because of what they see as facts - the rest of us see it as total bunkum and that they are fruit loops. 

I am skeptical of Xia. I'm not sure on the people around him, I'm not sure on the managerial appointment. I'm not sure whether he is the right type of owner. Let's see what it brings. I think that's where he is coming from. Rather than saying 'HE IS A FRAUD' isn't it more 'HE ISN'T BRILLIANT' as we simply haven't the time or games to see how AVFC have moved on.

It's also a little contradictive to complain about negativity, then hound him for answers, knowing his view point already riles you so much. You are only winding yourself up there.

Anyway, Richard is big enough and ugly enough (incoming warning for abuse, no doubt) to stand up for himself. Just this place is a bit easier to read and much more fun to participate in when we don't have people hounding the same usual people for the same usual reasons, and it'd be nice to go into a new season trying to at least respect each other, even if you think their opinion is a load of dog turd.

I'll go back to being a miserable, moaning git now. 

 

The American government would never do anything corrupt. How absurd.

Next people would be suggesting Donald Trump for president !

[sexbelowsound]

6 minutes ago, Deisler123 said:

If I may say something -

From the day of take over, Xia didn't do too many wrong things. Posting controversial messages on twitter is one, in my opinion. He retracted those messages, number 2. Late appointment of TD, number 3 (which may not be neccessarily his fault tbh). 

Similarly, Xia didn't do too many things that are applaudible either. Communicating with fans on twitter is one (although some fans believe talking too much is no good, which I agree). Spending good money in transfer market is number 2. Showing enthusiasm and the effort in uniting fans are number 3.

It is way too early to make any judgement on the new owner, before the ball is even kicked. I saw some posts on twitter (on VT as well) talking about 5+7=12 (good maths though) so they assumed Xia has no money - Bullshit. Equally, someone already called Xia a good owner - too early.

I personally will wait till Mid September to make my own judgement - first 7-10 games; transfer market; loan market, and most importantly, how he deals with difficulty if the team does not perform well.

What I fear most, is the impatience, possibly because of a few miserable seasons in the past, or because people simply don't like the owner, or any other reasons I dont know. What happens if Villa lose 2 of the first three matches? What happens by Xmas Villa is not in top 5? I don't think fans will necessarily have to 'boo' at VP if Villa lose a few games before October, so let's stay /cautiously/ optimistic now before proven otherwise.

If Villa is in the bottom half by Xmas time, I will join you guys to boo at VP (but I guess I'd better disappear by then....), but before that, UTV.

Just buy us Messi then Big T. Come on, you can do it.

[LxYoungAVFC]

1 hour ago, Richard said:

I'm not running a negative campaign FFS. I am expressing my opinions.