sexbelowsound Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Just now, Straggler said: Would love to see the faces of the fans as they crack one of them open for the first time. However they are philipeano are they not? I'm sure they are but Karl Pilkington refused to eat one in China so that's good enough for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingman Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 22 minutes ago, AlwaysAVFC said: Yes, well he stated it as a fact rather than rumour but said the identity was being kept closely guarded. So closely guarded that only Pat Murphy knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, terrytini said: If you can find me a government or major business in the world that is ethically and morally 'clean' to even a half decent extent I will agree with you - until then, welcome to Planet Earth ! I'm not sure that because we may not be perfect excuses the Chinese government for it's significant stains on it's character. China in many respects makes us look like saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 8 minutes ago, alreadyexists said: Not sure it's the right thread to discuss the morals and ethics of respective governments but to compare our own, albeit far far from perfect government with the effectively totalitarian Chinese government is just wrong. Chinese citizens can't go on an unfiltered Internet, speak freely, act freely, use social media (it's all banned except a state run one called weibo I beleive), and although rudimentary free markets are starting to occur it is still essentially a communist state. The freedom we have to question our own government openly, and even to state that David Cameron put his balls in a pig, is a freedom not everyone has in the world. Its not the right thread but all you are doing is grading degrees of badness. Just because we can do things they cant doesn't excuse the countless list of morally bankrupt things our government and many large businesses do every day. The point was, if its morals you want, you wont get a buyer. I've posted this in a more relevant thread to lead us over there............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Just now, Chindie said: I'm not sure that because we may not be perfect excuses the Chinese government for it's significant stains on it's character. China in many respects makes us look like saints. Not perfect !!! You are blind my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2016 3 minutes ago, Chindie said: I'm not sure that because we may not be perfect excuses the Chinese government for it's significant stains on it's character. China in many respects makes us look like saints. It all depends where you are sitting, doesn't it? Ask an Aborigine what he thinks of the English government. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alreadyexists Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, terrytini said: Its not the right thread but all you are doing is grading degrees of badness. Just because we can do things they cant doesn't excuse the countless list of morally bankrupt things our government and many large businesses do every day. The point was, if its morals you want, you wont get a buyer. I've posted this in a more relevant thread to lead us over there............ Well obviously we're discussing degrees of badness, that's human life, and politics and government. My point was that in terms of freedom, civil liberties, welfare, GDP and HDI our government is light years ahead of the freedoms a Chinese citizen has. The fact we are having this conversation on an open, unfiltered Internet surely demonstrates the gulf between the two. Like I said, our government is far from perfect, but at least we got to vote for them in elections which are relatively free from tampering. Anyway, that's the last I'll say on the subject. We'll have to agree to disagree, at least we're free to have a opinion! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jareth Posted May 18, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2016 AVFC now costs about 3 Stuart Downings... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysAVFC Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 16 minutes ago, Kingman said: So closely guarded that only Pat Murphy knows I took it that he didn't actually know who it was but felt he had enough to write his piece. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chindie Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, terrytini said: Not perfect !!! You are blind my friend. Nope, I definitely can see. It's just that, if I want to, today... In Birmingham, UK, I can do pretty much anything I want. I can criticise the government on anything publicly and not be imprisoned. I can research and educate myself using the gamut of the Internet's resources. I could decide I was any faith and not have that be a mark against my name and not have that potentially threaten me in anyway. I could plan for and have a family to any size I like. If I did do something wrong, the court would be a court that paid no mind to whether the Tories particularly like me or not. I wouldn't be executed. I'd have powerful and binding rights as a worker... Etc etc. We aren't saints. We can improve in many ways. But compared to us, China is a grim, grim state for it's people, who have little freedom and even less rights. Just because we aren't squeaky clean doesn't give China a carte blanche to be worse, whether them putting money into Aston Villa is good or not (if that is the case). 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Hopefully we'll start to see some Balut Eggs served up from next season. FWAAAAAR!. Philippino [/pedant] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2016 14 minutes ago, ozvillafan said: It all depends where you are sitting, doesn't it? Ask an Aborigine what he thinks of the English government. As said, we're not clean. I think we're better today than we were when settling Australia and I think were that to happen today the native Australians would be treated far better (I'm aware the Australian government has into quite recently treated them very poorly, and that's something Australia should be ashamed of) than we did over the years back then. But again... The Chinese Government is pretty much universally criticised for it's position on many things. Rightly so. Noone is clean in the fullness of time. Doesn't mean everyone's above critique in the cold light of day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phumfeinz Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jareth said: AVFC now costs about 3 Stuart Downings... I prefer 2 Andy Carrolls 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2016 Anyway this veering off topic... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon_c Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 2 minutes ago, Phumfeinz said: I prefer 2 Andy Carrolls Three quarters of a Gareth Bale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrytini Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Couldn't find a China thread and have never started one, but may do so later. Anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Well if there is someone who I dislike but trust in equal measures it is Pat Murphy. A wealthy Chinese individual is the best of both worlds, market exposure in China but also someone who is romantically nourished by the journey we could go on. My money is on Mr Miyagi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Miyagi is Japanese. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightoffyour Posted May 18, 2016 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2016 7 minutes ago, jon_c said: Three quarters of a Gareth Bale. Ramires, Jackson Martinez and half a Gervinho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareth Posted May 18, 2016 Share Posted May 18, 2016 Just now, Ghost said: Miyagi is Japanese. It's a running joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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