The now-enacted will of (some of) the people

[Woodytom]

Tbf, and I'm by no means educated on this at all, but the campaign from both sides was appalling imo.

I didn't vote. I couldn't make head nor tail of it. 

And I've no doubt that had we remained in then this forum, and other social media would be a wash with negative comments about why it's a bad move. 

The campaigns revolved around negatives so it's little wonder why people can't highlight the positives.

Im confident I won't notice a difference.

[KHV]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

If it's true that Morgan Stanley already has a task force in place to move them out of London then that suggests to me they put the wheels in motion a while a go and are now using the shroud of the exit to justify their move

they won't be the only ones to do it

 

They 100% put the wheels in motion a while ago given how quickly the news has come about

[Davkaus]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

If it's true that Morgan Stanley already has a task force in place to move them out of London then that suggests to me they put the wheels in motion a while a go and are now using the shroud of the exit to justify their move

There's no doubt it was a possibility in the pipeline, but before today there would be no real reason to relocate within the EU. It was likely to be a backup plan for this outcome, not something they wanted to do.

[snowychap]

2 minutes ago, villa4europe said:

If it's true that Morgan Stanley already has a task force in place to move them out of London then that suggests to me they put the wheels in motion a while a go and are now using the shroud of the exit to justify their move

they won't be the only ones to do it

 

Possibly but it is more likely that it was a contingency in case of a leave win, isn't it?

[PieFacE]

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UPDATE: Morgan Stanley denies reports that it would move 2,000 investment banking staff from London

[Davkaus]

1 minute ago, PieFacE said:

Reuters BusinessVerified account‏@ReutersBiz

UPDATE: Morgan Stanley denies reports that it would move 2,000 investment banking staff from London

Heh, I expected better from the BBC.

[villa4europe]

6 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

There's no doubt it was a possibility in the pipeline, but before today there would be no real reason to relocate within the EU. It was likely to be a backup plan for this outcome, not something they wanted to do.

The only possibility I can think of is London costs spiralling out of control but then that London package is part of what entices the best and the brightest 

the task force being a contingency is perfectly plausible, impossible to know if that task force is made up internally or if they recruited for it, anything external would suggest it's more than a contingency, I'd say at a guess at that kind of level having people internally who monitor where the sharp end of the stick is is good practice 

[ender4]

55 minutes ago, snowychap said:

I guess the sell off of the remaining Lloyds shares is on hold for a bit.

Possibly worth buying some Lloyds shares today?

edit: i just took the gamble and did.

 

Edited June 24, 2016 by ender4

[bobzy]

19 minutes ago, Woodytom said:

Tbf, and I'm by no means educated on this at all, but the campaign from both sides was appalling imo.

I didn't vote. I couldn't make head nor tail of it. 

And I've no doubt that had we remained in then this forum, and other social media would be a wash with negative comments about why it's a bad move. 

The campaigns revolved around negatives so it's little wonder why people can't highlight the positives.

Im confident I won't notice a difference.

I'm curious...

...if you don't want to notice a difference, why didn't you vote Remain for the status quo?  Or did you just fancy "whatever happens, happens" as a choice instead?

 

Obviously no need to respond here, just curious about those who didn't vote

[Davkaus]

5 minutes ago, ender4 said:

Possibly worth buying some Lloyds shares today?

Making any investments right now doesn't seem any less risky than going to a casino and sticking your cash on black.

[ender4]

Just now, Davkaus said:

Making any investments right now doesn't seem any less risky than going to a casino and sticking your cash on black.

the difference being if the price doesn't rise, i'm quite happy hanging onto the investment for a couple of years.

at some point it has to go back up? doesn't it?  right?  maybe? no? oh!  

[hippo]

38 minutes ago, Davkaus said:

Well, there's no plan, and we don't even know who'll be leading the negotiations to leave. what comfort can there be? We've jumped feet first in to a very deep hole and are hoping there's something soft at the bottom.

I think its taken even Brexit by surprise. Johnson is now saying there is no rush to quit the EU. Amazingly I saw John Redwood saying we should say with access to the single market - But not accept free movement of labour (good luck with those negotiations). There doesn't seem any plan as to what we do now 

I think a lot people who voted Leave - aren't so convinced less than 24 hours later .....I have heard people say 'i voted leave but didn't think we would'  - its seems like protest vote gone wrong....

[Guest av1]

Looking back to David Cameron's renegotiation talks with the EU, with the rather arrogant 'like it or lump it attitude' that seemed to come across.  I wonder if:

1) A better deal may have swayed a few more voters to remain.

2) The EU leaders are regretting the stance. 

It seems to me that no one really took brexit seriously, almost as if remain was certainty. 

 

 

 

[Guest av1]

14 minutes ago, bobzy said:

I'm curious...

...if you don't want to notice a difference, why didn't you vote Remain for the status quo?  Or did you just fancy "whatever happens, happens" as a choice instead?

 

Obviously no need to respond here, just curious about those who didn't vote

He said he doesn't think he will notice any difference, not that he doesn't want to 

[Davkaus]

2 minutes ago, hippo said:

I think its taken even Brexit by surprise. Johnson is now saying there is no rush to quit the EU. Amazingly I saw John Redwood saying we should say with access to the single market - But not accept free movement of labour (good luck with those negotiations). There doesn't seem any plan as to what we do now 

I think a lot people who voted Leave - aren't so convinced less than 24 hours later .....I have heard people say 'i voted leave but didn't think we would'  - its seems like protest vote gone wrong....

The problem is, the senior figures on the Leave campaigns have no relevant power. Gove is a minister, for something completely irrelevant, the rest have no influence at all. So they were free to promise the world, knowing they didn't have to actually deliver anything. Redwood is still in that position hence his ridiculous 'plan'.

Now we have a pro EU PM and Chancellor, who know they'll be gone in a few months and probably have no intention of actually getting the ball rolling, so who is supposed to be dealing with it? I can only assume things are essentially on hold until a new Conservative leader is elected?

[krisagg75]

4 minutes ago, hippo said:

I think its taken even Brexit by surprise. Johnson is now saying there is no rush to quit the EU. Amazingly I saw John Redwood saying we should say with access to the single market - But not accept free movement of labour (good luck with those negotiations). There doesn't seem any plan as to what we do now 

I think a lot people who voted Leave - aren't so convinced less than 24 hours later .....I have heard people say 'i voted leave but didn't think we would'  - its seems like protest vote gone wrong....

i wonder how much of the leave vote was an anti government vote.

[krisagg75]

1 hour ago, Dr_Pangloss said:

Interesting point. EU students pay the same fees as UK students so it's likely that EU students will have to pay the sort of fees that non-EU students currently have to pay. Thus providing an incentive to not come to UK universities and UK universities will lose money. 

There's also a double whammy which is that UK students will have a much harder time getting into top universities in Europe which are significantly cheaper than their UK counterparts. 

So again, another example of the baby boomers negatively impacting on the futures of the young.

this.i'm lucky as i don't have kids.i really feel for my niece and nephew(both 18).what future do they have now.

Edited June 24, 2016 by krisagg75

[villakram]

So, what about this

(i) As the vote is non-binding (in the strictly legal sense). 

(ii) With cameron gone, I wonder what the chances of a new election are? This could be used as an avenue to a proxi-referendum II campaign. I.e., vote labor and we will may not invoke article 50 but instead use it at the negotiating table to get some sort of super associate state status that basically translates to the status quo in some form. Or some other political fudge along those lines.

I think the political world just got a large wake up call. Spanish elections coming up, and already agitation for leaving in Holland and Italy. I do hope all this talk of an Irish referendum is put down as that would be absolutely horrible.

[Czechlad]

My girlfriend holds a British passport because she was born in Scotland. I hold a Czech passport. So basically if I want to continue working in Britain, I have to marry my girlfriend and become a British citizen correct? 

[Davkaus]

1 minute ago, villakram said:

 

(ii) With cameron gone, I wonder what the chances of a new election are? This could be used as an avenue to a proxi-referendum II campaign. I.e., vote labor and we will may not invoke article 50 but instead use it at the negotiating table to get some sort of super associate state status that basically translates to the status quo in some form. Or some other political fudge along those lines.

Labour have lost their voterbase on this issue. Most Labour seats want out, if they run a general election on the case of backing down on the referendum results, they'll annihilate their support.