Djemba_Villan Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Not wishing to resurrect the usual MON/Lerner/What could have been debates - something going on at the minute at West Brom has made me wonder something about the exact way MON left. so...the secret footballer has written an article which, essentially, accuses Pulis of benefitting from the sale of players via common agents and that berehino is caught up in a standoff between Pulis (who is up to a redknapp) and peace who has cottoned on but can't fire him. It reads as though Pulis is trying to rush the sale such that he can benefit from the % of the inevitable £30m deal rather Than wait for tribunal next year. Pulis has been sued by every team he's managed except Stoke and it's likely to end the same there. one particular point I've read is that palace are suing him for bonuses (relating to the profit made on players sold) paid to him weren't due as he didn't manage the first game of the new season. It's apparently common practice for managers to receive bonuses on value added to players. MON left us stupidly early on in the season on the back of a protracted Milner sale....for which his bonus would have been reduced by the part exchange nature with Stephen Ireland. The real reason MON left was never actually revealed despite promise by Both him and the club and it went to court....could such a manager bonus clause have been a contributing factor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Wasn't MON very vocal about not wanting to sell Milner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 3 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: Wasn't MON very vocal about not wanting to sell Milner? He was, but he didn't make that decision. Milner wanted out and Lerner though the money was too good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 MON left because he wanted to sign McGeady and Keane with the Milner money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Zatman said: MON left because he wanted to sign McGeady and Keane with the Milner money Yes and although Lerner is an imbecile at least he didnt authorise more money wasted on rubbish signings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 49 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: Yes and although Lerner is an imbecile at least he didnt authorise more money wasted on rubbish signings Keane would have been a great signing. I'd still take Keane this season. McGeady came into everton and did alright, but quickly was found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BOF Posted January 26, 2016 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2016 I'm always wary of the word "could" in contexts of this nature, and the implications of its use. "...could such a manager bonus clause have been a contributing factor?". Something need only be theoretically possible in order that it 'could' happen. So yes, literally speaking, it 'could' be a contributing factor. Now whether it was or not is the question, and my own views for what they're worth, having read what I read back in the day, following the club and having a feel for the financial and squad dynamic back in the day etc is that it is highly unlikely that a potential decrease in the value of a player who, remember, was only really ever going to increase in value would be the reason for his departure. I think we need to apply Occam's Razor here again (twice in one day?!?) alongside the benefit of knowing what followed in a financial sense for Villa in the subsequent seasons. The general thinking at the time IIRC was that MON had been asked over and over while making our bigger investments over his first few seasons to keep an eye on the wage bill as he did so. He consistently failed to do this until the point where our wages to turnover was something mental like 125%. MON appeared to eventually become immune to Randy's softly softly approach and when each request to address the wage bill was made, it was ignored. Eventually Randy came down hard and said that the money from the Milner sale would go towards addressing the short-fall. MON threw the toys because he had been promised the Milner money to re-invest. This was only true on the condition that the squad wages be managed properly, which they were not. Ergo no deal. Milner is sold and you don't get the dosh. Now MON has a fair idea how important that particular cog would be in the team, and now he can't replace him adequately, plus in his mind he has been thrown under the bus unfairly. Out of a fit of ego and fear of how his stock would be affected by the (under-)performances of a Milner-less Villa side, he walks away. I imagine that ego would also take an added twisted pleasure (although it would never admit it..) in the timing of the departure, and how it would maximise the damage to an owner who had (in his mind) wronged him. Maximum spite. The club then spends the next 5 or so seasons trying to bring the wage bill down to a manageable level, whilst the Premier League brings in FFP and Randy decides 'sod this for a game of soldiers' and goes full belt tightening on the whole thing and loses all interest. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Djemba_Villan said: so...the secret footballer has written an article which, essentially, accuses Pulis of benefitting from the sale of players via common agents and that berehino is caught up in a standoff between Pulis (who is up to a redknapp) and peace who has cottoned on but can't fire him. It reads as though Pulis is trying to rush the sale such that he can benefit from the % of the inevitable £30m deal rather Than wait for tribunal next year. Pulis has been sued by every team he's managed except Stoke and it's likely to end the same there. Have you got a link to this article please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Demitri_C said: Yes and although Lerner is an imbecile at least he didnt authorise more money wasted on rubbish signings I would have thought his subsequent track record on signings refutes that idea over and over again - not only players, but managers as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djemba_Villan Posted January 26, 2016 Author Share Posted January 26, 2016 18 minutes ago, dudevillaisnice said: Have you got a link to this article please? http://po.st/0lWMaM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 24 minutes ago, briny_ear said: I would have thought his subsequent track record on signings refutes that idea over and over again - not only players, but managers as well! Yep, we've wasted so much money since MON left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I was hoping this was a 9/11 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC_Hitz Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I was hoping this was a 9/11 thread. From the Jamaican offshoot of VT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodders0223 Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 The secret "footballer"is full of **** shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 Its meant to be Dave Kitson who has played under Pulis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I think the Secret Footballer is probably more than one person now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Zatman Posted January 26, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 26, 2016 18 minutes ago, sexbelowsound said: I think the Secret Footballer is probably more than one person now. Andy Goram? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Looking back now, I reckon MON was simply the first to see what a useless fool Lerner is, and once Lerner moved the goalposts on their agreement he walked. Fair enough too I think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, MrDuck said: Looking back now, I reckon MON was simply the first to see what a useless fool Lerner is, and once Lerner moved the goalposts on their agreement he walked. Fair enough too I think. Fair enough? The manner in which he did it was shameful. Also, Lerner then was completely different to Lerner now - he clearly still had interest and this was some time before the mismanaged (but necessary) wage bill cuts came into place. The biggest mistake Lerner made was giving O'Neill too much of a free reign - we still haven't properly recovered now. And no this isn't me simply blaming all of our problems on O'Neill (before I get accused of that) because clearly there are so many other people that must share the blame, not least Lerner. Edited January 27, 2016 by Mantis 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted January 27, 2016 Share Posted January 27, 2016 Just my opinion Mantis. You thought it was shameful at the time... I didn't. But I'm pretty sure that the whole thing has been cloaked in so much secrecy that nobody outside of a few people at the club really knows what happened, so a definitive judgement on MON (or Lerner for that matter) seems to be rather difficult to make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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