KHV Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, Mantis said: I'm pretty sure Sherwood signed off on the players too. He did, I never said he didn't but it is well known the bulk were suggested alternatives. Sherwood had a go but grudgingly and it didn't last long until he gave up either, but the club should have realised Tim was not going to make that work, too one dimensional and too cockney to deal with a load of young upcoming overseas players. He was good with young english players and also with people with big ego's like his own. No coincidence Adebayor, Grealish, Agbonlahor, Richards all liked him all they all poses some form of massive bellendery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) Garde handshake refusal reported by SSN Here...http://www.skysports.com/football/sland-vs-a-villa/report/341383 Edited January 2, 2016 by Supervillan78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 5 minutes ago, El-Reacho said: You can see the dilemma though - Sherwood would have been taking us back down the O'Neill route paying big fees and big wages for players with little resale value - which Lerner had no intention of doing. The option would have been to pay Tim a big bonus for keeping us up and then going and getting Garde in May and doing this type of recruitment with him signing each of them off. Well Lerner does not want to pay wages now but in 3 years time when we are languishing in the championship and the parachute payments have gone he might look back and think it was a wank decision as I'm sure that will lose him more money in the long run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, supernova26 said: They didn't shake hands before hand onus was on Sam really, Remi then snubbed him at the end. In the grand scheme, mountains and molehills spring to mind. Thank you. Sounds like something and nothing. I'd be very surprised if he's not here at the start of next season - the question is whether we'll have broken him by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He might be a decent manager, but this is a toxic situation for anyone. My fear is that we will break him and when we need to start well next season under Garde, we will fail to do so. And then get Neil Warnock type manager ( or even the man himself) to play basic english football at a bargain basement price and chuck the Continental process in the bin again. Because I have no faith in the club in doing anything properly. At the moment this side can't even beat an egg. I seriously think we won't win again this season and end up with less than 20 points. How can any manager survive that even if he has potential to be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I can't imagine how he even goes about training sessions at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: At the moment this side can't even beat an egg. I seriously think we won't win again this season and end up with less than 20 points. How can any manager survive that even if he has potential to be good? Fair question. The club signed him up with a fair suspicion that we might go down, I don't think they expected to go down with such a lack of fight though. Having **** 3 put past us by the 19th team in the league says it all really. I wonder what the score would have been if we sacked Sherwood a week earlier and Allardyce was in our dugout instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post avfc1982am Posted January 2, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2016 At the moment I can't blame Garde. In general he has for the most picked decent line ups(bar Norwich) that very many have agreed with. He has dealt with the nonsense of Grealish, Gabby, dropped every player that has underperformed when picked previously, although I say it loosely as they are pretty much all shocking. I just don't see what more he could do with this bunch as the majority of the senior players are the most culpable for our plight. Those you would expect as a manager to hold it together on the pitch and drive the team on are without doubt our biggest problem. It's a lose lose situation for Garde at the moment imo and something that will take longer than 6 months to remedy. For the first time today I saw him very very animated and angry on the touch line. I think he is as frustrated at the stupidity of the players as much as the rest of us tbh and would replace them all given the chance. Know doubt we have had a couple of managers who have underacheived over the last few years but we have a squad with senior players in it that should not be wearing the claret and blue of Aston Villa. An owner that hasn't got the foggiest and a commercial dude running the whole shabang?! Which sums it all up imo. As for Garde if he starts ridding the club of the likes of Gabby, Nzog, Richardson, Hutton, Guzan, Sinclair or any other player that is unwilling to fight for the shirt they should be begging to wear, then I'm on side because we cannot go on like this. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Davkaus said: Fair question. The club signed him up with a fair suspicion that we might go down, I don't think they expected to go down with such a lack of fight though. Having **** 3 put past us by the 19th team in the league says it all really. I wonder what the score would have been if we sacked Sherwood a week earlier and Allardyce was in our dugout instead. The club have not done one thing right since 2010. Seven years of shit. Not one thing. The cup final run was a glorious fluke. You can't blame Garde for too much, but if he carries on like this he is barely doing even better than the last days of Tactics Tim. When the highlight of you reign so far is 2 back to draws, you know it's bad. Wycombe have to be favorites to beat us next week, live on TV as well. Great!!! I love it!!! Edited January 2, 2016 by The Fun Factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, supernova26 said: FGS. They didn't shake hands before hand onus was on Sam really, Remi then snubbed him at the end. In the grand scheme, mountains and molehills spring to mind. I still got a feeling he may leave or be pushed out this weekend. I think that's extremely weak and over sensitive on behalf of Garde. To be honest, the way we play, seems to be a reflection of how Garde is, weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I think that's extremely weak and over sensitive on behalf of Garde. To be honest, the way we play, seems to be a reflection of how Garde is, weak. I don't really see what makes Garde "weak"? You could point to the performances but they were weak well before he arrived. In fact, the team's been weak all over for years. Is it because he isn't a shouty arrogant word removed like Sherwood? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2016 It's interesting, I think a the reaction to the handshake/non-handshake/nothing doesn't tell us anything other than whether or not we like him. I like him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onmeedson Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Way out of his depth, cannot organise doe's not take control, just a doormat to me and the coaching at villa is non existent. The worst team in along time of poor defence lightweight midfield and powder puff attack. Total clear out of playing staff, so called coaching staff and management. Tony pulis looks like a genius compared to this set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Can't have been much of a dust up, I don't think Garde has a spine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Richard said: Can't have been much of a dust up, I don't think Garde has a spine What are you basing that on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 An opinion of his demeanour, the way the team has been set up in games , a judge of character. Normal stuff that we have to base opinions on when we don't know someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjp26 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 I imagine the handshake refusal is to do with Fat Sam's disrespect of us in the S'land program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa89 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 He might as well just admit we are down now. At least if it's acknowledged the players might play with some sense of freedom and not be paralysed by the fear of yet another loss. Feel sorry for garde. I wonder if he knew what he was getting himself into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avfc1982am Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 7 minutes ago, Richard said: An opinion of his demeanour, the way the team has been set up in games , a judge of character. Normal stuff that we have to base opinions on when we don't know someone What like Lambert?! Garde has shown more spine than he did with the players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted January 2, 2016 Moderator Share Posted January 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, samjp26 said: I imagine the handshake refusal is to do with Fat Sam's disrespect of us in the S'land program. What he say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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