Davkaus Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Jonesy7211 said: last 14 years of constant unashamed corruption, lies, incompetence, law breaking, and more lies. Destroying the economy, killing people during COVID, dismantling the NHS, crippling public services, filling their pockets, making the rich far richer, making the plebs far poorer and reliant on food banks and handouts, I could go on and on May as well. Not satisfied with running things into metaphorical collapse, mismanaging schools to the point of physical collapse, filling the rivers and seas with raw sewage, crime up across the board because we don't have enough police, people regularly dying because of the states of the roads. Students loans increased to the point of just being a life long tax for the working and middle class. But they think it'll all be worth it if they stop the boats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 Don’t forget the absolute state of the roads all over the country. Something we all suffer every day. Thats gonna cost billions to put right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, Genie said: Don’t forget the absolute state of the roads all over the country. Something we all suffer every day. Thats gonna cost billions to put right. Was reading a case yesterday of a driver dying as they span into oncoming traffic, the line the police are investigating is he just hit a pothole and the back end flung out A few days before that I was reading about a cyclist killed after they hit a pothole and went over the handlebars into oncoming traffic It's an absolute disgrace, it's been getting worse year after year, it's long been the case that drives down residential roads were a game of dodge the pothole, but they're even on major a roads with a national speed limit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 This is pure Thick (of it) from Sue Ellen. Sunak needs to change course, the plan isn’t working. You mean the plan that you and your ilk pushed him into? The staggering lack of self awareness is astonishing. Lower Taxes…. Er you remember Liz Truss? Cap on Migration. Sunak's plan on immigration is your f***ing plan, it hasn’t changed, it’s yours! She seems to think that they need to move to the right… that clearly got roundly rejected by the electorate only this week. She seems to think that they lost vote to the right (Reform). Dimwit, they’ve lost far more votes to Labour and the LibDems (and even Green) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 This narrative the Tories are pushing that the situation is closer than the polls is hilarious Youve just been thrashed from one side of the country to the other And that extremely flawed Projected National Share stat the BBC keeps pushing isn’t helping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted May 5 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bickster said: And that extremely flawed Projected National Share stat the BBC keeps pushing isn’t helping I disagree. It's helping enormously. They should concentrate entirely on that, do what they are doing and call an election ASAP whilst the gap is so small. Edited May 5 by sidcow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 8 minutes ago, sidcow said: I disagree. It's helping enormously. They should concentrate entirely on that, do what they are doing and call an election ASAP whilst the gap is so small. Well I do agree there’s an upside to it, people think it’s closer than the polls suggest, they might actually get off their arse and vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, bickster said: Well I do agree there’s an upside to it, people think it’s closer than the polls suggest, they might actually get off their arse and vote It'd also discourage voting Reform or Lib Dems if people think it's close they might as well try and get the Tories back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 13 minutes ago, Davkaus said: It'd also discourage voting Reform or Lib Dems if people think it's close they might as well try and get the Tories back in Reform maybe, LibDems not I think. People are voting LibDem because the Tories have moved to the right and the LibDems either now represent them better or they are in second place in that area.People are voting Reform because (in theory) the Tory party haven’t moved right enough (there are other reasons which aren’t worth the gunfight) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinker Posted May 5 VT Supporter Share Posted May 5 8 hours ago, bickster said: Reform maybe, LibDems not I think. People are voting LibDem because the Tories have moved to the right and the LibDems either now represent them better or they are in second place in that area.People are voting Reform because (in theory) the Tory party haven’t moved right enough (there are other reasons which aren’t worth the gunfight) Don't you think the lib dems calling on a suspension of arms to Israel is a factor? I don't believe it's just muslim areas, the retric we're hearing from the media, that are against the indiscriminate bombing of civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, tinker said: Don't you think the lib dems calling on a suspension of arms to Israel is a factor? I don't believe it's just muslim areas, the retric we're hearing from the media, that are against the indiscriminate bombing of civilians. They have but I don’t think it’s a very big factor at all tbh. The LibDems aren’t gaining votes in areas where that stance would be a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mjmooney Posted May 5 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted May 5 For years - no, decades - the Tories maintained strict party unity, which enabled them to stay in power while Labour struggled with its range of diverse factions. Now Tory factionalism has finally broken into the open, and Labour is finally managing to maintain internal discipline, putting them on course to finally oust the Tories. And this is apparently a bad thing. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 (edited) The BBC website has had the same top headline all day (Suella: Sunak must own the defeats), quite unusual of them. Edited May 5 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 1 minute ago, Genie said: The BBC has had the same top headline all day (Suella: Sunak must own the defeats), quite unusual of them. The BBC has been pushing all kinds of demonstrably untrue agendas since election results were starting to be announced. There has been a lot of shouting at the telly in our house and most of it was the missus The ludicrous projected share of the vote stat has been at the heart of some of it etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 hours ago, mjmooney said: For years - no, decades - the Tories maintained strict party unity, which enabled them to stay in power while Labour struggled with its range of diverse factions. Now Tory factionalism has finally broken into the open, and Labour is finally managing to maintain internal discipline, putting them on course to finally oust the Tories. So what you are saying is that policies are largely irrelevant and which party can maintain cohesive discipline goes into power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 3 hours ago, bickster said: The BBC has been pushing all kinds of demonstrably untrue agendas since election results were starting to be announced. There has been a lot of shouting at the telly in our house and most of it was the missus The ludicrous projected share of the vote stat has been at the heart of some of it etc. Still top story, crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted May 5 Moderator Share Posted May 5 Once again the ridiculously insane Tory party have reacted to disastrous election results by interpreting them as saying they aren't ridiculously insane enough. It's marvellous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 6 VT Supporter Share Posted May 6 9 hours ago, ender4 said: So what you are saying is that policies are largely irrelevant and which party can maintain cohesive discipline goes into power. No, but they have to get those policies across to the electorate in a coordinated fashion, rather than half the party looking like they totally disagree with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted May 6 Author Moderator Share Posted May 6 14 hours ago, mjmooney said: For years - no, decades - the Tories maintained strict party unity, which enabled them to stay in power while Labour struggled with its range of diverse factions. Now Tory factionalism has finally broken into the open, and Labour is finally managing to maintain internal discipline, putting them on course to finally oust the Tories. And this is apparently a bad thing. Well, not really and yes. They’ve been horribly split on yurp for decades, haven’t they? John Major and his “bastards” and so on… Id agree they haven’t got as many, perhaps, different factions as Labour does and you’re right that their factions are warring vigorously while Labour is keeping their disagreements under wraps better because they can see and taste the prospect of having meaningful jobs in government at last, but that was always always going to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishywashy Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 (edited) Even Rishi has been coming out with the Bold Strategy of saying that these results mean Labour might only get a hung parliament. Not only is it a massive lie, it's a comment that exclusively benefits Labour as it will prevent complacency. There is literally nothing the Tories could gain from saying this. At this point that the Tories have just resorted to saying literally anything to get them from one news cycle to the next, no matter how bizarre or damaging. Edited May 6 by wishywashy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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