OutByEaster? Posted February 29 Moderator Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, bickster said: Not sure of the relevance, seriously Starmer’s pledges aimed at Labour Party members over 4 years ago can’t possibly be relevant to anything today. Different audience, different circumstances I guess that was the last time Starmer 'shouted' his policies and was very public about the things he wanted to do - he's got a whole new set of beliefs and ideas now. but you have to go and look for them if you want to know what they are, he's not campaigning on them. If you asked just about anyone if putting an end to non-dom tax status was official Labour policy you'd get a deafening silence - in fact, if you asked most Labour party MP's the same question they'd probably fudge on it until they'd checked with HQ. It's a shame in a way, most people know Starmers pledges, most people know that he jettisoned them once he'd got into the big seat, but next to no-one has any idea what he believes in now. That's what gives Hunt the vacuum in which to make mischief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 5 hours ago, bickster said: Hilarious if true (rather sceptical myself) Would it really raise “billions”? Or will non-doms just do something differently and virtually no extra tax will come in? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 13 minutes ago, ender4 said: Would it really raise “billions”? Or will non-doms just do something differently and virtually no extra tax will come in? Thats my thought on it. Not many will just take the hit of millions in tax. They’ll just bank overseas. The Tories know this, but they need to pretend they have a plan for the tax giveaway they are about to give. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 51 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: It's a shame in a way, most people know Starmers pledges, most people know that he jettisoned them once he'd got into the big seat, but next to no-one has any idea what he believes in now. And of the few who know, many believe he'll jettison his new pledges without a moment's hesitation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted February 29 VT Supporter Share Posted February 29 1 hour ago, ender4 said: Would it really raise “billions”? Or will non-doms just do something differently and virtually no extra tax will come in? Yep. France tried this and the rich just moved away and paid **** all tax at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted February 29 Share Posted February 29 I've really been enjoying the extent to which ministers have bent over backwards in recent days to ensure that they don't condemn Lee Anderson, pretending the word Islamophobia doesn't exist. It's never been more clear that the thick word removed demographic is incredibly valuable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straggler Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 11 hours ago, Davkaus said: And of the few who know, many believe he'll jettison his new pledges without a moment's hesitation. This is where I am at with him too. A lot of what he promised 4 years ago I would describe as challenging to achieve, but well worth pursuing. Near enough all of it has been discarded and I'm feeling a little burned how much has gone and why it has gone. I'm not buying the different time different audience argument either. He is in the position of responsibility now because of the commitments he made then. He needs to either deliver against them or make a convincing argument as to why they are impossible to maintain. IMO neither of those things have been done. Political expediency seems the main justification, and all that means to me is that principles are nice, but really, they are not to be found here. I'm also not sure who Starmer is actually listening to. It is not the members of his own party as votes taken at the conference are treated very much more like polling data than instructions. So I can see what is written down, but don't trust that it will be delivered. With very little transparency around how policy is formulated I can't trust the process. All I have left is hope, and the behaviour I am seeing does not inspire it. The main driving goal I can see is the campaign for a bullet proof manifesto. It seems that to achieve that bullet proof status there has to be nothing in it that the Daily Mail can make a negative headline out of. And the Daily Mail wants Tories, so the manifesto keeps lurching towards what DM readers want. This is not a good thing. If the polling is correct, Labour are about to get a massive mandate to deliver a compromised and massively underwhelming manifesto. IMO they could still be in this place without losing their souls to do so 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I’ve no idea how the government are surviving this ever worsening scandal Quote The cost of Rishi Sunak’s troubled Rwandaasylum scheme could soar to half a billion pounds, plus hundreds of thousands more for each deportee, an investigation by the public spending watchdog has found. The Home Office has so far refused to say how much more money, on top of the £290 million already confirmed, the UK has agreed to pay Kigali under the stalled plan, but a National Audit Office report has revealed millions more in spending including £11,000 for each migrant’s plane ticket. Critics said the “staggering figures” reveal “the extortionate bill the taxpayer will have to pay the Rwandan government for an unworkable and inhumane scheme” and “the national scandal the Tories have been trying to hide”. The Government has already paid Kigali £220 million under the Economic Transformation and Integration Fund designed to support Rwanda’s growth, even as flights have remained grounded amid a series of legal setbacks. It was also already known that an extra £50 million was earmarked for the partnership for next year. But the NAO revealed the same sum will also be sent to Rwanda in 2025 and in 2026, taking the cost to £370 million. On top of that, once the first 300 migrants have been relocated to Rwanda, ministers have agreed to put another £120 million into the fund, lifting the total to £490 million. In addition, an extra £20,000 will be paid to Rwanda for every asylum seeker relocated there, according to the NAO report. The Home Office will also separately hand Kigali nearly £151,000 per person to cover asylum processing and integration costs, such as accommodation, food, healthcare and education, over five years if they stay in the country. If they decide to leave, the UK would halt payments for that person, but would still give Rwanda a one-off £10,000 to help facilitate their departure. The Government has already sent Kigali an advance payment of £20 million to cover these processing and operational costs for the first arrivals. ——— Some £12.6 million will also be spent on training people to escort migrants in the first year and £1 million per year thereafter, and £1 million annually in staff costs. ——— Labour’s shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said: “This report reveals the national scandal the Tories have been trying to hide. Its shocking analysis shows the costs of the failed Rwanda farce are even higher than previously thought. “In order to send less than 1% of UK asylum seekers to Rwanda on a few symbolic flights, the taxpayer will be forced to fork out over half a billion pounds – with no ability to recover any of the money already sent. This is the equivalent of nearly £2 million per person sent. “Rishi Sunak has staked his position on this scheme. He must account for this fiasco.” Absolute madness. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 6 minutes ago, Genie said: I’ve no idea how the government are surviving this ever worsening scandal Absolute madness. Link "Government wastes money on terrible policy" isn't really the sort of thing that brings down a Government. It's not going to cause a revolution, nor is it going to get around thirty of so Tory MPs to vote to end the parliament and trigger an election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, ml1dch said: "Government wastes money on terrible policy" I think that is over simplifying it a tad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 8 minutes ago, Genie said: I think that is over simplifying it a tad Not really. Tory MPs have completely backed it in principle, as a policy. So why would anything but the cost be a reason for them to collapse their own Government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 1 Moderator Share Posted March 1 9 minutes ago, ml1dch said: "Government wastes money on terrible policy" isn't really the sort of thing that brings down a Government. It's not going to cause a revolution, nor is it going to get around thirty of so Tory MPs to vote to end the parliament and trigger an election. Probably needs to be more than 30 given that there are currently 19 independent MPs most whom probably wouldn’t vote to end their salary. 19 MPs who are currently not members of a party but were elected as such and given we've already had a good number of by-elections to get rid of a few bad eggs, that’s an awful lot of MPs losing the whip in one parliament (on both sides btw) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davkaus Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 If we're paying £150k per person for the costs of processing their application, food and accommodation... What the **** is the other half a billion for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 7 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Not really. Tory MPs have completely backed it in principle, as a policy. So why would anything but the cost be a reason for them to collapse their own Government? The fact it was destined to fail from day one, yet they are still throwing more and more money at it. It’s not like overspend on a rail line or an IT project. It’s completely flawed. The fact that MP’s are still backing it is part of the scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 36 minutes ago, Genie said: The fact that MP’s are still backing it is part of the scandal. But also the reason that the Government is surviving the apparent scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meregreen Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 14 hours ago, sidcow said: Yep. France tried this and the rich just moved away and paid **** all tax at all. That’s why the EU are moving towards closing the loopholes that make this possible. It’s also one of the main reasons Rees Mogg, Nigel Farage and their cronies fought for Brexit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 hour ago, Davkaus said: If we're paying £150k per person for the costs of processing their application, food and accommodation... What the **** is the other half a billion for? Sponsoring Arsenal with Visit Rwanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Rishi at the podium outside Number 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 9 minutes ago, theboyangel said: Rishi at the podium outside Number 10 Wtf was all that bollocks about? Did he do it for a dare? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Well that was anticlimactic… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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