The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[bickster]

1 minute ago, sidcow said:

Actually there was recently after Cruella was sacked. What happened with that? 

Well there’s a few things

1. They’ve probably come to the realisation it’s too late

2. If Sunak gets a sniff of there being a leadership challenge, he might just call an election (thus reducing gravy)

3. The right wing Throbbers aren’t one unified group any more, they've splintered off into different smaller factions and probably couldn’t agree what time sunrise is tomorrow

4. No one takes Andrea Loathesome seriously

[blandy]

5 minutes ago, sidcow said:

Actually there was recently after Cruella was sacked. What happened with that? 

Non performing throbber, with a ludicrously high opinion of themself, who said throbby pleasing things, but didn’t actually do any of them and was haplessly inept got herself sacked and wrote nasty things about smalley boy Sunak that the Daily Heil put on its (checks) page 11. I guess the throbbers liked what she said, but didn’t much like or rate her.

[ml1dch]

3 hours ago, bickster said:

4. No one takes Andrea Loathesome seriously

Jenkins. Loathsome is back in the Government as some minor bag carrier in the Department of Health. 

So isn't sending anti-Sunak letters anywhere. 

[cyrusr]

12 hours ago, mjmooney said:

Suspect it applies like this

[bickster]

6 hours ago, ml1dch said:

Jenkins. Loathsome is back in the Government as some minor bag carrier in the Department of Health. 

So isn't sending anti-Sunak letters anywhere. 

Yep, my bad, Jenkins it was

[bickster]

So more death spiral and demographics…

Quote

Under attack from three directions, the Tories could face meltdown

[…]

Today, the Conservative Party has noticed the rise in the proportion of graduates in the electorate, and it doesn’t like it. But it won the last election on the votes of non-graduate Leavers, so it cannot decide what to do to secure its future in a country that is changing.

Professor Rob Ford of the University of Manchester presented new research at the Social Market Foundation this week on how education has become the new divide in British politics. Since the 2015 general election and the 2016 referendum, graduates have become more Labour and more pro-EU, while non-graduates have become more Tory and anti-EU. And all the time, there are more graduates in the population, up from one-fifth to one-third in the past two decades – a share that will go on rising for 40-50 years, Prof Ford said, even if, as some Tories belatedly wish, the expansion of universities is thrown into reverse.

Professor Ford said: “Demographic change is alien to political analysis because it is slow and relentless, like a glacier.” It is a wall of ice that threatens the Conservatives in addition to all the short-term pressures on government at a time of pinched living standards.

He thought that the immediate causes of unpopularity had distracted the Tories from underlying adverse changes. They mean that the playing field is tilting against the Tories all the time. They mean that when we observe that Boris Johnson won in 2019 because of Brexit deadlock, Jeremy Corbyn and Johnson’s own positive appeal, and that none of those will apply next time, […]
[…]

Professor Ford is particularly interested in the 40 most graduate-heavy seats that the Tories have to defend to remain in office. They include “a huge swathe around London, where the Liberal Democrats are the challenger, which could form a Lib Dem graduate heartland”.[…]
 

 

 

 

 

 

John Rentoul - Indy

Really interesting article, not the Rentoul bits but the demographics / graduate bits

Its stacking up nicely in the death spiral of their own making

[ml1dch]

73% of British people don't earn enough money to marry and live with a foreigner. 

[Genie]

So what about the jobs these 300,000 people were doing, who is going to do them?

[markavfc40]

21 minutes ago, Genie said:

So what about the jobs these 300,000 people were doing, who is going to do them?

In the sectors that are already struggling to recruit, such as the NHS and the care sector, then vacancies will just continue to rise.

I am sure those people who a policy like this is designed to appeal to though will be more than happy to continue to sit in A&E for 12 + hours or sit in their own piss and shit indefinitely rather than have someone with brown skin come to help them. 

[bickster]

18 minutes ago, Genie said:

So what about the jobs these 300,000 people were doing, who is going to do them?

It’s actually quite interesting that media like Sky News and Laura K were asking this question yesterday. Sky are asking it as I type for the second day running. This wasn’t happening previously, they just let the govt go on and on and on about boats and Rwanda

They also appear to be saying that both parties have this massive hole in their rhetoric. Both the BBC and Sky appear to have chosen this weekend to move the goalposts in the same direction and that neither party can square the argument about more NHS staff and curbing immigration because the NHS needs immigration. 

[ml1dch]

I think I'm right in saying as well that any impact these changes have won't reflect in the official figures until after the next election anyway.

So there's a pretty good chance that Starmer ends up getting the "credit" for numbers going down.

[Genie]

It’s a shame the BBC didn’t enable comments on that story 

[sharkyvilla]

They say they want net immigration down but isn't part of the problem with Brexit that it makes it harder for people from the UK to move abroad.  Also many people from the EU have made the commitment to get right to stay so the people moving back home seems to have plateaued.  We need people to do the jobs that earn less than £38k, that seems way too high.

[sidcow]

11 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

In the sectors that are already struggling to recruit, such as the NHS and the care sector, then vacancies will just continue to rise.

I am sure those people who a policy like this is designed to appeal to though will be more than happy to continue to sit in A&E for 12 + hours or sit in their own piss and shit indefinitely rather than have someone with brown skin come to help them. 

Shame really. Without Brexit they could have had some nice white people (albeit with funny accents) come to help them. 

[Genie]

2 hours ago, sharkyvilla said:

They say they want net immigration down but isn't part of the problem with Brexit that it makes it harder for people from the UK to move abroad.  Also many people from the EU have made the commitment to get right to stay so the people moving back home seems to have plateaued.  We need people to do the jobs that earn less than £38k, that seems way too high.

Exactly, part of the reason the economy is faltering is because of the number of vacancies across all industries which were previously filled by EU staff. 

Now they don’t want to come (don’t blame them) its causing us big issues… and this decision by Cleverly is chucking a cup of petrol onto that particular fire.

The stupidity of the Tories knows no bounds. 

[Genie]

1 minute ago, sidcow said:

Shame really. Without Brexit they could have had some nice white people (albeit with funny accents) come to help them. 

Those Eastern Europeans who became famous for working insanely hard for a relatively small pay packet. Glad they are gone…

[tomav84]

creating a mess that will be impossible for starmer to clean up therefore setting him up for failure.

[desensitized43]

I still don't understand how the country can be so broke when the people are literally taxed on everything. Income, NI, Council, VAT, Fuel, Alcohol, Tobacco, Road, Sugar, Gambling, Inheritance, Insurance, Stamp Duty, Excise Duty, Capital Gains, Dividends, Corporations, Rates. The list seems endless. Where's all the money go?

[Chindie]

Surprising lack of discussion of them pursuing legislation that allows for spying on your bank account in the name of 'combatting benefit fraud'. Passed by the Commons with barely a whimper of dissension, Labour abstained of course, now relying on the Lord's to say this proposed legislation is bullshit.

[Wainy316]

25 minutes ago, desensitized43 said:

I still don't understand how the country can be so broke when the people are literally taxed on everything. Income, NI, Council, VAT, Fuel, Alcohol, Tobacco, Road, Sugar, Gambling, Inheritance, Insurance, Stamp Duty, Excise Duty, Capital Gains, Dividends, Corporations, Rates. The list seems endless. Where's all the money go?