Demitri_C Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Probably the best performance of starmer in PMQs Sunak is so weak and pathetic. I can imagine on a world stage that he is not very strong or gets the UK voices heard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted November 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2023 Must admit, the trolling of Cleverly was quite amusing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted November 29, 2023 Moderator Share Posted November 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, mjmooney said: Must admit, the trolling of Cleverly was quite amusing. I think it was the tying in of everything, the failures, the Greek incident and cleverly (who reacted too the dumb f***) One question and he stuck more knives in the I thought possible Sunak looked absolutely lost when he was sat down listening to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Managing to tie together the greek saga with a reverse midas touch and shit-gate all in one paragraph was genius. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 People are laughing at Sunak. The opposition, the public, even his own politicians. They’re all laughing at him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: People are laughing at Sunak. The opposition, the public, even his own politicians. They’re all laughing at him. His wife is probably laughing at him, and his parents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 It’s clever how Johnson, Truss and Sunak have all been completely useless but in unique ways. Quite impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Clock’s running down if a couple more of them fancy being PM before the next election. Get those letters in now, or potentially have to wait a decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, Genie said: It’s clever how Johnson, Truss and Sunak have all been completely useless but in unique ways. Quite impressive. Not sure what the two before them have done to deserve being left off your list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Just now, chrisp65 said: Clock’s running down if a couple more of them fancy being PM before the next election. Get those letters in now, or potentially have to wait a decade. Nice little £115k a year until you die, they are doing a good job to get as many as possible onto that blag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Not sure what the two before them have done to deserve being left off your list. To be fair May should certainly have been included, my bad. I think from her onwards the bar really was raised in terms of incompetence in office. Cameron will have his place but I’m putting him as a tier 2 scoundrel. Cameron was a PM who got some important stuff wrong. Those that came later are clearly some kind of social experiment and have never looked like leaders at any point. Edited November 29, 2023 by Genie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2023 10 hours ago, chrisp65 said: I suspect the bolded bit is the problem. If they start a precedent of returning cultural artefacts to where they belong, we’ll have quite a lot of available space in the museum. There is a difference between ownership and having things to display though. They could and should arrange loans between different countries and other museums. Kind of international exchange programmes. I'm sure we have some interesting artifacts other nations would like to borrow and display. Or give the the marbles back with an agreement of loans for other things to display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, sidcow said: There is a difference between ownership and having things to display though. They could and should arrange loans between different countries and other museums. Kind of international exchange programmes. I'm sure we have some interesting artifacts other nations would like to borrow and display. Or give the the marbles back with an agreement of loans for other things to display. It just feels really quite easy to come up with lots of bespoke, mutually beneficial arrangements. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2023 5 hours ago, Genie said: Yougov email fun 95% of people think the governments handling of the small boats is either quite bad or very bad. And I suspect they're far more tired of hearing about them than they are of experts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, Genie said: Cameron will have his place but I’m putting him as a tier 2 scoundrel. Cameron was a PM who got some important stuff wrong. Those that came later are clearly some kind of social experiment and have never looked like leaders at any point. Cameron is right up there in fairness in terms of damage done to this country on his watch. The ideological austerity inflicted by him and Osborne is now really being felt with the NHS on its knees, multiple councils either bankrupt or about to go bankrupt, numerous Police forces (including the Met and West Mids Police) in special measures, prisons so full and understaffed that they are having to let criminals go free early...... Their policies also had the greatest negative impact on those already vulnerable who we are meant to help and resulted in the huge increases in poverty, including working poor and children living in poverty, and increases in homelessness. Obviously, given her time in office, pro rata Truss wins hands down on damage done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, chrisp65 said: People are laughing at Sunak. The opposition, the public, even his own politicians. They’re all laughing at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: It just feels really quite easy to come up with lots of bespoke, mutually beneficial arrangements. I mean, they do it already. Remember the hype when Tutankhamen was displayed. There's surely plenty more that can be done, and then as someone said earlier they become world items anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted November 29, 2023 VT Supporter Share Posted November 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, markavfc40 said: Cameron is right up there in fairness in terms of damage done to this country on his watch. The ideological austerity inflicted by him and Osborne is now really being felt with the NHS on its knees, multiple councils either bankrupt or about to go bankrupt, numerous Police forces (including the Met and West Mids Police) in special measures, prisons so full and understaffed that they are having to let criminals go free early...... Their policies also had the greatest negative impact on those already vulnerable who we are meant to help and resulted in the huge increases in poverty, including working poor and children living in poverty, and increases in homelessness. Obviously, given her time in office, pro rata Truss wins hands down on damage done. Plus the destruction of the onshore windfarm industry in the UK. Imagine the benefit we would have had over the last 18 months from thousands of turbines producing the cheapest electricity that exists. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: Plus the destruction of the onshore windfarm industry in the UK. Imagine the benefit we would have had over the last 18 months from thousands of turbines producing the cheapest electricity that exists. No doubt it would have been pegged to the worldwide oil price and it would have made no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limpid Posted November 29, 2023 Administrator Share Posted November 29, 2023 18 minutes ago, sidcow said: Plus the destruction of the onshore windfarm industry in the UK. Imagine the benefit we would have had over the last 18 months from thousands of turbines producing the cheapest electricity that exists. Plus the benefit of selling the fruits of that experience to the rest of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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