The banker loving, baby-eating Tory party thread (regenerated)

[StefanAVFC]

Yeah, this isn't legal

More red meat

[markavfc40]

The Tories want to make out that immigration is this countries biggest issue when in reality we have far bigger problems and immigration, and certainly the small boats part of it, wouldn't even be in the top 10 of issues that have a detrimental impact on most peoples lives. It will work with some people though as just as leaving the EU was going to end all of our woes now stopping the brown people on the dinghies will. 

[Genie]

We have a shortage of low skilled workers and have hundreds of people arriving by boat everyday.

I wonder if they have ever discussed the 2 “issues” at the same time? 

[sidcow]

1 hour ago, markavfc40 said:

The Tories want to make out that immigration is this countries biggest issue when in reality we have far bigger problems and immigration, and certainly the small boats part of it, wouldn't even be in the top 10 of issues that have a detrimental impact on most peoples lives. It will work with some people though as just as leaving the EU was going to end all of our woes now stopping the brown people on the dinghies will. 

Yeah, it's like a conversation that's moved on but they haven't noticed. I'm pretty sure many of the racist throbbers who used to stay up at night worrying about the boats are now far more concerned about other issues. 

[bickster]

42 minutes ago, sidcow said:

Yeah, it's like a conversation that's moved on but they haven't noticed. I'm pretty sure many of the racist throbbers who used to stay up at night worrying about the boats are now far more concerned about other issues. 

No they aren't, they now protest at hotels used for housing assylum seekers. There's a block of flats not too far from me, that is goig to be used to house them and another on the list to be approved. The housing association who own it are paying the current tenants thousands of pounds to move out, they are al jumping at the chance to be re-housed and have wads of cash. That didn't stop a customer ranting about it in my car last night. "Hundreds of men of fighting age" is how he described them, it's alright for them but the government wouldn't pay me sick pay at the start of the pandemic because I had cancer and didn't do my accounts. He had to live off the 10 grand he had in his current account and yes, the house he lives in is in the £750,000 bracket

[mjmooney]

I see they're only going to stop the ones in small boats. Once I've found out what the maximum dimensions of a small boat are, I'm going into the medium-sized boat business. 

[sidcow]

20 minutes ago, bickster said:

No they aren't, they now protest at hotels used for housing assylum seekers. There's a block of flats not too far from me, that is goig to be used to house them and another on the list to be approved. The housing association who own it are paying the current tenants thousands of pounds to move out, they are al jumping at the chance to be re-housed and have wads of cash. That didn't stop a customer ranting about it in my car last night. "Hundreds of men of fighting age" is how he described them, it's alright for them but the government wouldn't pay me sick pay at the start of the pandemic because I had cancer and didn't do my accounts. He had to live off the 10 grand he had in his current account and yes, the house he lives in is in the £750,000 bracket

I'm not saying it no longer exists but I question if it's the massive vote winner they might think it is.  I think people have much bigger issues to worry about now. 

[The Fun Factory]

2 hours ago, markavfc40 said:

The Tories want to make out that immigration is this countries biggest issue when in reality we have far bigger problems and immigration, and certainly the small boats part of it, wouldn't even be in the top 10 of issues that have a detrimental impact on most peoples lives. It will work with some people though as just as leaving the EU was going to end all of our woes now stopping the brown people on the dinghies will. 

Classic deflection tactic.  And the right wing slurry in the media will promote it.

[markavfc40]

13 minutes ago, sidcow said:

I'm not saying it no longer exists but I question if it's the massive vote winner they might think it is.  I think people have much bigger issues to worry about now. 

I think Bicks is right sadly. I think some people are stupid enough to believe that the relatively tiny amount of poor bastards risking their lives for a better life crossing the channel on a dingy are the cause for why they can't get to see a GP, why A and E has gone beyond bursting point, why they are choosing between eating and heating, why they can't get on the housing ladder or why they can't get a decent council house/social housing. The Tories will happily point the finger at them as it diverts eyes from the real reason - 13 years of Tory rule. 

I think you are right though in that it won't be the massive vote winner they hope it will be. In the main they are simply preaching to their own and those already long since converted. 

[LondonLax]

The Tory party are shedding votes from their right flank since the removal of Johnson and Truss. Those voters are following Farage and his “Reform U.K.” Trump style policies. 

The policy on channel crossing migrants is an attempt to see off some of that exodus. I think it’s too little too late for Reform U.K. voters though (many of whom will not support the Tories under Sunak regardless of policy). 

[sidcow]

12 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

The Tory party are shedding votes from their right flank since the removal of Johnson and Truss. Those voters are following Farage and his “Reform U.K.” Trump style policies. 

The policy on channel crossing migrants is an attempt to see off some of that exodus. I think it’s too little too late for Reform U.K. voters though (many of whom will not support the Tories under Sunak regardless of policy). 

Great. As soon as they realise they've got to stop pandering to those fringe nutters the sooner we might see some more sensible thinking, sensible policies and less idiots in Government/potential Government. 

[bickster]

6 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

The Tory party are shedding votes from their right flank since the removal of Johnson and Truss. Those voters are following Farage and his “Reform U.K.” Trump style policies. 

The policy on channel crossing migrants is an attempt to see off some of that exodus. I think it’s too little too late for Reform U.K. voters though (many of whom will not support the Tories under Sunak regardless of policy). 

Any actual evidence for this? 
The Tories are actually shedding votes from the more normal flank, by the millions. I’ve seen no evidence of any meaningful increase in ReformUk voting. They may have moved from 6 or 7% to 7 or 8% Meanwhile the Tories have dropped from 45 to 25%

Tough talk on migrants isn’t going to help them

But the more the nutty fringes slit the nutty fringe vote the better. It’s just not happening in any significant way

[bickster]

1 minute ago, sidcow said:

Great. As soon as they realise they've got to stop pandering to those fringe nutters the sooner we might see some more sensible thinking, sensible policies and less idiots in Government/potential Government. 

The Tory Party is no longer capable of that. They will fight each other like rats in a sack until the General Election and beyond. The next election will be much worse for the, than 1997, much worse

[LondonLax]

4 minutes ago, bickster said:

Any actual evidence for this? 
The Tories are actually shedding votes from the more normal flank, by the millions. I’ve seen no evidence of any meaningful increase in ReformUk voting. They may have moved from 6 or 7% to 7 or 8% Meanwhile the Tories have dropped from 45 to 25%

Tough talk on migrants isn’t going to help them

But the more the nutty fringes slit the nutty fringe vote the better. It’s just not happening in any significant way

Reform U.K. are banging on about having their highest ever poll numbers at the moment.

The Tory party are losing voters all over the place. I have no doubt the spectre of Farage is spooking them though and this is one policy they will be putting out to try and blunt his attacks from their right flank. 

[bickster]

32 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

Reform U.K. are banging on about having their highest ever poll numbers at the moment.

And you belived them? In the five polls with fieldwork in March, +1 in two polls, No change in One poll and -2 in two polls. All within the margin of error but a slight downward trend

 

[LondonLax]

14 minutes ago, bickster said:

And you belived them? In the five polls with fieldwork in March, +1 in two polls, No change in One poll and -2 in two polls. All within the margin of error but a slight downward trend

 

I guess the more pertinent question here is whether the Tories are worried about them or not. 

[bickster]

9 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

I guess the more pertinent question here is whether the Tories are worried about them or not. 

At this stage why would they be? They are on course for the biggest swing on record from Tory to Labour in one election cycle

If every supposed Reform Uk voter changed to Conservative, they'd still be about 13-15 ponts behind Labour

[fruitvilla]

Amazing! Suella Bravernan got something right.

Suella Braverman: We do not have blasphemy laws in Great Britain (thetimes.co.uk) behind a pay wall

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We do not have blasphemy laws in Great Britain, and must not be complicit in the attempts to impose them on this country. There is no right not to be offended. There is no legal obligation to be reverent towards any religion. The lodestar of our democracy is freedom of speech. Nobody can demand respect for their belief system, even if it is a religion. People are legally entitled to reject — and to leave — any religion. There is no apostasy law in this country. The act of accusing someone of apostasy or blasphemy is effectively inciting violence upon that person.

... Everyone who lives here has to accept this country’s pluralism and freedom of speech and belief. One person’s freedom to, for example, convert from Islam to Christianity is the same freedom that allows a Muslim to say that Jesus was a prophet but not God Incarnate.

This freedom is absolute. It doesn’t vary case by case. It can’t be disapplied at a local level. And no one living in this country can legitimately claim that this doesn’t apply to them because they belong to a different tradition.

All of this is typically understood. If I told a socialist they should politely endorse my sincerely held conservative beliefs, he or she would laugh in my face — and rightly so. Roman Catholics readily understand that people are going to criticise the Pope or mock the concept of transubstantiation.’

Yet things are going in the wrong direction. We see that in the monstrous way that JK Rowling and others have been treated for daring to challenge radical gender ideology. And there is a particular issue with attitudes towards Islam.

 

 

[LondonLax]

24 minutes ago, bickster said:

At this stage why would they be? They are on course for the biggest swing on record from Tory to Labour in one election cycle

If every supposed Reform Uk voter changed to Conservative, they'd still be about 13-15 ponts behind Labour

If they are losing voters both to their left and to their right they have no base left to work from. 

[Genie]

4 minutes ago, LondonLax said:

If they are losing voters both to their left and to their right they have no base left to work from. 

Their best bet would be to become the rejoin party as nobody is really nailing their colours to that mast yet, and many will back it.

Obviously won’t happen in a million years.