sidcow Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 36 minutes ago, The Fun Factory said: His constant army references are starting to grate. I agree. He shouldn't be so regimented. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 minute ago, sidcow said: I agree. He shouldn't be so regimented. Will he been given his marching orders? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: And yet, for some reason, 14M Britons voted Conservative in 2019 Yeah but just 3 years earlier, 17 million people voted for something even stupider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, juanpabloangel18 said: Dude Truss is very dim - for someone in her position at least. Something you can't say for Sunak, although he's patently unqualified for other reasons I think you're conflating "policy callousness" and "being out of touch with the people" to a problem with raw brain power, and I get that. But I don't agree. I wouldn't want to underestimate the wily minds and marketing skills of Teams Sunak and Truss. Dim? If so, they're reflecting a deep dimness many British voters seem to keep embracing for reasons I honestly don't grasp. Edited July 14, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Wainy316 said: Yeah but just 3 years earlier, 17 million people voted for something even stupider Exactly. And now they're crying "oooh, we was oodwinked!" Almost as thoughtfully engaged as ours in the USA, but don't get me started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: I think you're conflating "policy callousness" and "being out of touch with the people" to a problem with raw brain power Not what I'm saying at all. Anyone who says the words "We import two thirds of our cheese. THAT. IS. A. DISGRACE." to a room full of journalists, is not very smart. For those who've been paying attention she's been a laughing stock for years, due to several high profile gaffes. I don't think she's callous, I think she's nakedly ambitious and devoid of any real political ideology (other than promoting her own brand). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, juanpabloangel18 said: Not what I'm saying at all. Anyone who says the words "We import two thirds of our cheese. THAT. IS. A. DISGRACE." to a room full of journalists, is not very smart. For those who've been paying attention she's been a laughing stock for years, due to several high profile gaffes. I don't think she's callous, I think she's nakedly ambitious and devoid of any real political ideology (other than promoting her own brand). I hear you, but I still think the thing you're calling "not very smart" is more about a willful ignorance (and people on the left have their own versions of this) -- or maybe even lack of honesty -- than a lack of intelligence. But there are lots of ways to define intelligence, aren't there? In any case, winning voters isn't going to come down to who is more intelligent, is it? At least that's not what I've ever observed in Britain or the US (or France, for that matter). I read Guardian commentaries (not all, but many) recently on the Tory leadership race, and while they're very diverse in terms of day-to-day topics, there's a sort of self-aggrandizing, running tone of mockery that seems more an extension of social media than offering anything like a coherent alternative. There's plenty to mock, yes, agreed, but what's next, please? I don't care where you are, if you don't connect emotionally to voters, you don't win. Some of those anonymous poverty-related special commentaries in the Guardian lately have actually come closer, to me, to reaching voters with important raw heart than the derisive Oxbridge snarks. Edited July 14, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Truss seems like May in that she is very awkward in front of the camera and looks daft and incompetent (I suspect she actually is both of those things as well). Penny Mordaunt has always been a bit of an 8/10 WB for me. I don't know what her politics are like though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Truss seems like May in that she is very awkward in front of the camera and looks daft and incompetent (I suspect she actually is both of those things as well). Penny Mordaunt has always been a bit of an 8/10 WB for me. I don't know what her politics are like though. You better help me out with the meaning of "8/10 WB" -- after all, I myself am irretrievably and verifiably stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Truss seems like May in that she is very awkward in front of the camera and looks daft and incompetent (I suspect she actually is both of those things as well). Penny Mordaunt has always been a bit of an 8/10 WB for me. I don't know what her politics are like though. I'm reserving judgement until I've seen both of them try to dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutByEaster? Posted July 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Marka Ragnos said: If someone such as Sunak wants "an awful future" for a "tiny minority," I don't think HE actually knows that. I think that's likely incorrect. I absolutely think he knows that - since Reagan and Thatcher and the 80's and the decentralisation of banks, a lot of the power in our societies has moved from Parliament to the corporate/banking sphere - I think that's left a void where politicians know they can't necessarily effect real change - so we have these profiteers, these representatives of commerce, who accept the rules and the direction of banks and the corporations and media companies they own in order to gain and hold on to power. I think he know exactly what he's doing, I think he considers working people an acceptable sacrifice for a profitable corporate economy that serves his masters, keeps him in power and ensures he remains a part of that tiny minority. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, sidcow said: I'm reserving judgement until I've seen both of them try to dance. Much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, OutByEaster? said: I absolutely think he knows that - since Reagan and Thatcher and the 80's and the decentralisation of banks, a lot of the power in our societies has moved from Parliament to the corporate/banking sphere - I think that's left a void where politicians know they can't necessarily effect real change - so we have these profiteers, these representatives of commerce, who accept the rules and the direction of banks and the corporations and media companies they own in order to gain and hold on to power. I think he know exactly what he's doing, I think he considers working people an acceptable sacrifice for a profitable corporate economy that serves his masters, keeps him in power and ensures he remains a part of that tiny minority. Fair enough. I do tend towards gullibility in my own political thinking. I've been burned several times, but if what you say is true, it's depressing as ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidcow Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, sharkyvilla said: Much better Wow. That brought a tear to my eye. The belly flop looked painfull as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 14, 2022 Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: You better help me out with the meaning of "8/10 WB" He rates her as 80% of the perfect woman and would have personal physical relations with her given half the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam-AVFC Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Seat68 said: He needs a kick in the Privates. No need to resort to corporal punishment. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desensitized43 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, Marka Ragnos said: You better help me out with the meaning of "8/10 WB" -- after all, I myself am irretrievably and verifiably stupid. Seconded. Would definitely have coitus with Penny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marka Ragnos Posted July 14, 2022 VT Supporter Share Posted July 14, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, bickster said: He rates her as 80% of the perfect woman and would have personal physical relations with her given half the chance And here I thought I was on the Observer “Safe Space UK” forum talking politics. Well, that’s sort of offensive and stupid, and this is coming from someone who is often both. But em, cheers for the depressing clarification of 2008-era lad-forum code. Edited July 14, 2022 by Marka Ragnos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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blandy Posted July 14, 2022 Author Moderator Share Posted July 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sam-AVFC said: No need to resort to corporal punishment. Generally speaking there’s a division on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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