Woodytom Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I know that odds are an indication of where money is going, but in relegation markets I find it hard to believe that bookmakers don't spend hours weighing up scenarios. The fact we are ONLY 4/1 to stay up gives me a bit of hope that when you step back from all the emotion, it's not an impossibility to map our way out of this. I think we're down but I've said before, we've now set ourselves up whereby anything else would be like winning the champs league. For the first time in a few seasons I'm actually looking forward to the rest of the season. Maybe because we can only look one way up the table. And because, I like the man in charge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubberman Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Yes - that's my feeling too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) It's definitely still possible, if very unlikely. But like I said before, that run of games starting in December is our last chance. If we get through those without picking up a few victories then we're done for. Newcastle, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland, Palace, Leicester, Baggies, West Ham, Norwich. That's an incredibly favourable run. But we'll need to hit that run on a high to capitalise, because once that's over we've not got many opportunities left. We'd need to win at least 4 of those games to even be entertaining the idea of staying up. Which is a huge ask. The value of one win will be massive, in terms of confidence. The sooner we get it the better. Edited November 30, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If we're in the Championship next season - who do you think will stay and who will go? You'd like to think we can keep Amavi because of his injury. The club seems to have sold themselves to the new signings as a stepping stone to greater things. How will that work if they aren't good enough to keep the side in the PL? I would hope that this scenario was discussed with Garde before he committed and he will stay to rebuild. Will Randy cash in on Grealish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 i said before we havent won since the 1st game but we are not yet fully cut adrift which Sunderland showed a couple of fluke results can get you out of it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2015 2 minutes ago, El-Reacho said: If we're in the Championship next season - who do you think will stay and who will go? You'd like to think we can keep Amavi because of his injury. The club seems to have sold themselves to the new signings as a stepping stone to greater things. How will that work if they aren't good enough to keep the side in the PL? I would hope that this scenario was discussed with Garde before he committed and he will stay to rebuild. Will Randy cash in on Grealish? I think if we can frame ourselves as a club who is going to come straight back up then we'll get a season out of a lot of players. Like Newcastle when they went down. It's if we don't come straight back up that we'll struggle. Players won't stick around for longer than a season if that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 4 minutes ago, El-Reacho said: If we're in the Championship next season - who do you think will stay and who will go? You'd like to think we can keep Amavi because of his injury. The club seems to have sold themselves to the new signings as a stepping stone to greater things. How will that work if they aren't good enough to keep the side in the PL? I would hope that this scenario was discussed with Garde before he committed and he will stay to rebuild. Will Randy cash in on Grealish? I gurantee grealish will be the first to hand in a transfer request when we go down. Thats something the arrogant nerd would do i reckon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 If it carries on like this then nobody will deserve a move and I doubt anyone would be interested in them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSV Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Draw next month looks tough for most sides especially Sunderland. We have a good run after arsenal. Southampton we can get a point. Arsenal have few injuries.. You never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 1 minute ago, Demitri_C said: I gurantee grealish will be the first to hand in a transfer request when we go down. Thats something the arrogant nerd would do i reckon Inclined to agree with this. The way he's handled the international declaration shows he'll be easily influenced from the likes of his agent and other managers. That said he hasn't exactly looked like Champions League quality lately. Probably end up at Stoke........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 2 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I gurantee grealish will be the first to hand in a transfer request when we go down. Thats something the arrogant nerd would do i reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2015 1 minute ago, KSV said: Draw next month looks tough for most sides especially Sunderland. We have a good run after arsenal. Southampton we can get a point. Arsenal have few injuries.. You never know We just need that win to lift confidence I think. It sounds like a cliché, but I really think one win would actually be worth 2 or 3 because it would lift everybody and take away that nervousness that is costing us. If we could somehow beat Southampton or Arsenal (a big ask, I know) in preparation for that favourable run, we'd have a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermon Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Just now, Stevo985 said: We just need that win to lift confidence I think. It sounds like a cliché, but I really think one win would actually be worth 2 or 3 because it would lift everybody and take away that nervousness that is costing us. If we could somehow beat Southampton or Arsenal (a big ask, I know) in preparation for that favourable run, we'd have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-Reacho Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 4 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: I think if we can frame ourselves as a club who is going to come straight back up then we'll get a season out of a lot of players. Like Newcastle when they went down. It's if we don't come straight back up that we'll struggle. Players won't stick around for longer than a season if that happens. Depend how much we're paying them though. It would be good if Garde were to build a new team around Amavi/Veretout/Gana/Westwood/Ayew/Gil/Grealish/Traore and get them playing to the potential they clearly have and finally get some momentum. I'd imagine the reality will be Pearson managing Guzan/Hutton/Lescott/Gabby/Richardson and bringing in the likes of Karl Henry and other Championship stalwarts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2015 3 minutes ago, El-Reacho said: Depend how much we're paying them though. It would be good if Garde were to build a new team around Amavi/Veretout/Gana/Westwood/Ayew/Gil/Grealish/Traore and get them playing to the potential they clearly have and finally get some momentum. I'd imagine the reality will be Pearson managing Guzan/Hutton/Lescott/Gabby/Richardson and bringing in the likes of Karl Henry and other Championship stalwarts That's kind of what I was getting at. If we, as a club, say "right, we're going straight back up, we're happy to take a season of everybody's wages and we'll be back in the prem with TV money next season", then we can keep them. If we decide we need to immediately further cut costs and cash in on players we can sell, then I'll be very worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 25 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: It's definitely still possible, if very unlikely. But like I said before, that run of games starting in December is our last chance. If we get through those without picking up a few victories then we're done for. Newcastle, West Ham, Norwich, Sunderland, Palace, Leicester, Baggies, West Ham, Norwich. That's an incredibly favourable run. But we'll need to hit that run on a high to capitalise, because once that's over we've not got many opportunities left. We'd need to win at least 4 of those games to even be entertaining the idea of staying up. Which is a huge ask. The value of one win will be massive, in terms of confidence. The sooner we get it the better. Win all of those and we're pretty much safe 27pts + 5pts = 33 with another 10+ games to pick up the remaining few points to see us home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwichmann Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 23 minutes ago, El-Reacho said: Will Randy cash in on Grealish? With the professional approach and attitude he's shown lately I'll don't think people will be beating the door down to take him away. For another thread, but it takes more than talent alone to succeed in the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 30, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted November 30, 2015 Just now, Eames said: Win all of those and we're pretty much safe 27pts + 5pts = 33 with another 10+ games to pick up the remaining few points to see us home. Piece of piss then. What are we all worried about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 1 minute ago, Eames said: Win all of those and we're pretty much safe 27pts + 5pts = 33 with another 10+ games to pick up the remaining few points to see us home. Where we are currently I'll be glad to one one of those. Win all of them on our current situation, not a chance in hell. People really need to relax and spend less time doing the permutations. We are as good as down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 2 minutes ago, Stevo985 said: Piece of piss then. What are we all worried about? Exactly. Randy will force someone into buying the club and we will all live happily ever after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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