bickster Posted June 28, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 28, 2019 Reports now that the NEC is going overturn the Chris Williamson decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted June 29, 2019 Moderator Share Posted June 29, 2019 Hilarious 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 So given that's the lowest polling score since records began for Labour, supposedly opposing a historically incompetent Government, for the various Labour supporters on here what is the way to solve it? As what Labour is currently selling, it seems that people don't want to buy it. So presumably they need to change something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I don't speak for everyone, but as a traditional and former voter they lost me with ineffective opposition. Their lamentable brexit stance and burying their head in the sand on anti semitism. Corbyns cheerleaders in Momentum acting like a pack of dogs, but mainly the weakest leader in my memory. That's me though. Others may have a nuanced explanation. Former Labour supporters I have talked to pin it on Brexit stance and a dislike of Corbyn. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2019 I'd be interested to see some comparative polls by companies other than YouGov, who have a track record of punting Labour the lowest of any pollsters. Anywho... What would stop me voting Labour? I would want them to overtly support a Remain position. Their Brexit policy has been a mess of trying to court 2 sides of the debate that they only now are starting to solidify, unfortunately the narrative has become them fudging for so long it'll take a far stronger message to be revealed for it to change, even though Corbyn and the party has made moves that generally should be pleasing to non-Brexiteers but the struggle to get there and the strength of that narrative means it falls short. I don't think Corbyn is a terribly good leader. He's had a very difficult task as leader, having half of his party hate him without quarter and an overtly hostile media that has veered between plain bias and a grim undercurrent of outright disdain. The anti-Semitism thing has been ridiculous. But, irrespective of all that, he's not been able to play the media game. He been dealt bad hands but played them badly too in many cases. And of course the party being so divided, if you take Corbyn out of the equation, makes voting for them a fools errand. Much like the Tories, Brexit has torn them apart. They've managed to frame it as a break over the leader, but it runs deeper than that. But yes. I wouldn't vote Labour at the moment, though I rarely vote for parties anyway. I am more sympathetic to Corbyn than many but still see him as a poor choice (a better choice than any Tory, but that's a low bar). He's an idealistic old school leftie who isn't very savvy. He doesn't play the political game very well, which on the one hand is likeable but on the other is stupid as everyone else IS playing the game. He doesn't do well with media, which has made a particularly hostile press have a field day with him and made it worse. And he's headed up a naive response to the biggest political hot potato of our time that has completely buggered him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I haven't seen anyone apart from Jess Phillips from Labour in about 6 months Is Corbyn dead somewhere? How is he not making a mockery of the Tories at this moment? It's an open goal! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2019 55 minutes ago, lapal_fan said: How is he not making a mockery of the Tories at this moment? It's an open goal! It's the new kinder politics we were promised 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrusr Posted July 5, 2019 VT Supporter Share Posted July 5, 2019 19 minutes ago, bickster said: It's the new incompetent politics we voted for FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted July 5, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 5, 2019 17 hours ago, lapal_fan said: How is he not making a mockery of the Tories at this moment? It's an open goal! To be fair to him, he doesn't need to - they keep scoring own goals. But yeah, he's incompetent as a leader. (sorry if I've mentioned that previously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 hours ago, lapal_fan said: I haven't seen anyone apart from Jess Phillips from Labour in about 6 months That probably explains the drop in support to 18% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 52 minutes ago, tonyh29 said: That probably explains the drop in support to 18% The way she talks about herself would make Narcissus blush. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: The way she talks about herself would make Narcissus blush. I expect she's heard the phrase "Coming the big I am", but she doesn't appear to have learned the lesson it aims to convey. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 A solid 4% of the vote, down from 20% in the Trowbridge council by-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 It's a shame she's too busy; I would like to hear what she actually stands for, which certainly doesn't seem to be anything in the actual manifesto, but it seems quite amorphous to me. However, it really would be good if all these malcontents could find one person who *is* prepared to step up and have an actual campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 hours ago, ml1dch said: A solid 4% of the vote, down from 20% in the Trowbridge council by-election. If there's one place in the country you'd expect Labour to be killing it, it's Trowbridge council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 56 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said: If there's one place in the country you'd expect Labour to be killing it, it's Trowbridge council. Regardless of whether it is somewhere they should be winning or not, presumably you'd hope / expect them not to be 16 points down on their previous share of the vote? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, ml1dch said: Regardless of whether it is somewhere they should be winning or not, presumably you'd hope / expect them not to be 16 points down on their previous share of the vote? Since I don't live in Trowbridge, it makes no difference to me whatsoever. You might be forgetting that when council elections were held across most of the country in 2017, the results were not at all predictive for a general election held mere weeks later. Maybe that won't be the case again, but regardless you cannot predict anything meaningful at all from *one council byelection*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 6, 2019 Moderator Share Posted July 6, 2019 The Tory vote split in Trowbridge Dyhnaham between their candidate and the Independant who just happens to have been the Tory candidate in 2017 but that means that some of the normal Tories voted LibDema as did pretty much all of Labours and you'd imagine some party members at that low a figure for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisp65 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: If there's one place in the country you'd expect Labour to be killing it, it's Trowbridge council. 3 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: .... regardless you cannot predict anything meaningful at all from *one council byelection*. Labour have just lost the Rhondda council to Plaid Cymru. A predominantly english speaking Welsh Valley. That is exactly where you would be expecting Labour to be 'killing it'. But their special blend of local and national incompetence has seen them lose the Rhondda. Too busy worrying about losing votes to Farage to notice how far they've drifted from having any actual belief or drive. At what point will there be enough clues? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 11 minutes ago, chrisp65 said: Labour have just lost the Rhondda council to Plaid Cymru. A predominantly english speaking Welsh Valley. That is exactly where you would be expecting Labour to be 'killing it'. But their special blend of local and national incompetence has seen them lose the Rhondda. Too busy worrying about losing votes to Farage to notice how far they've drifted from having any actual belief or drive. At what point will there be enough clues? But but yougov. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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