The Chairman Mao resembling, Monarchy hating, threat to Britain, Labour Party thread

[magnkarl]

1 hour ago, bickster said:

So when does Labour's new MP for Peterborough get removed from the party for anti-semitism? Because as apologies go, that was as weak as a weak thing

I don't even know why the reporter just let her get away with saying she liked a "video" when she states in the exact facebook thread that she "enjoyed reading this thread so much". 

Let's wait for Barry the Gardener to find some way to say that what was written in said facebook post was not antisemitic. 

[ml1dch]

On 05/06/2019 at 20:09, blandy said:

He's one of Catweazle's mates, admirers and fellow numpties.

june 2017 on the radio.

Another Corbyn numpty-chum wanted him back in Labour relatively recently

Galloway didn't get back in, but as a member for nearly 4 decades before being hoofed out for more idiotic comments, he's another unsuitable hanging around the edges of Labour.

All sorts of unpleasant fools have said supportive things about Corbyn's leadership. That doesn't make them part of his "close circle".

There are however plenty of pricks with deeply unpleasant views who are part of his "close circle", and desperately trying to shoe-horn George Galloway into the "Labour's antisemitism problem" story just makes it easier for them to brush off the criticism that they deserve.

As I said - Galloway's current political affiliations lie with Nigel Farage, by his own admission. This particular case therefore isn't something the Labour Party needs to answer for. 

[blandy]

7 minutes ago, ml1dch said:

This particular case therefore isn't something the Labour Party needs to answer for. 

I agree. This one isn't.

It seems to me like two parts of the political spectrum have a notable anti-semitism problem. There's the far right and there's the far-ish left. The far-ish left which is inside the Labour party and the far-ish left which is not a part (membership of) the Labour party. This particular numpty (Galloway) is from the outside the Labour party anti-semitic sect, but used to be from the inside the Labour party anti-semitic sect. Lucky Labour.

[Chindie]

 

 

 

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Is Jeremy Corbyn an anti-Semite?

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It’s quite true that the Labour Party that Corbyn leads has been dogged in recent years with incidents in which a significant number of its members, after being publicly pilloried as anti-Semites, have been expelled from the party. Worse than that, earlier this year a group of MPs resigned from the party, citing rampant anti-Semitism and a failure to deal with it as one of the reasons for their departure.

The group included the Jewish MP Luciana Berger, and also the non-Jewish MP Joan Ryan, formerly chair of Labour Friends of Israel. In her resignation speech, Ryan suggested that the ‘huge shame’ of anti-Semitism did not exist until Corbyn became party leader. Criticising Corbyn for ‘presiding over a culture of anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel,’ Ryan insisted that ‘Over the past three years… the Labour party under Jeremy Corbyn has become infected with the scourge of anti-Jewish racism. This problem simply did not exist in the party before his election as leader.’

Really? After all, hasn’t anti-Jewish racism existed in the party since its creation, over a century ago? In the late 19th century, wasn’t the trade-union movement (out of ‘the bowels’ of which the party emerged, as Ernie Bevin once graphically observed) positively riddled with such prejudice? Weren’t leading socialist activists – for instance Sidney and Beatrice Webb  – unashamed exponents of it? To point to these irrefutable facts is neither to excuse such racism nor to imply that it wasn’t present in other political parties. Indeed it was and still is.

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The fact of the matter is that Corbyn has an impressive record of supporting Jewish communal initiatives. For instance he was recently supportive of Jewish efforts to facilitate the speedy issue of death certificates by the north London coroner. In 2015 he took part in a ceremony in his Islington constituency to commemorate the founding of the North London Synagogue. In 2010 he put his name to an Early Day Motion (tabled by Diane Abbott) calling on the UK government to facilitate the settlement of Yemeni Jews in Britain. Indeed I could fill this entire article with a list of philo-Semitic EDMs that Corbyn has signed since he was first elected as Labour MP for Islington North in 1983.

In 1987 the West London Synagogue approached Islington Council with a startling proposal: to sell its original cemetery to property developers, destroying the gravestones and digging-up and reburying the bodies lying under them. This cemetery (dating from 1840) was not merely of great historic and architectural interest – in the view of orthodox Jews, the deliberate destruction of a cemetery is sacrilegious. So when Islington Council granted the planning application, a Jewish-led and ultimately successful campaign was launched to have the decision reversed. I was part of that campaign. So was Jeremy Corbyn. Meanwhile, the then-leader of Islington Council (1982-92), whose decision to permit the destruction of the cemetery was eventually overturned, was none other than Margaret Hodge (though it is unclear whether she personally was in favour of the proposal).

I have deliberately omitted from this discussion any consideration of Corbyn’s attitude to Zionism and whether anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic. All I will say here – as a proud Zionist – is that in my view context is, again, paramount.

I will agree that from time to time, as backbench MP and party leader, Corbyn has acted unwisely. But the grounds for labelling him an anti-Semite simply do not exist.

The Spectator

[Seat68]

A lot of his friends are Jewish. 

[PompeyVillan]

That was in the Spectator? Surely not. 

[chrisp65]

I would presume that the 8 Labour MP's that openly and publicly voted against Labour today have all been auto expelled?

[blandy]

9 hours ago, chrisp65 said:

I would presume that the 8 Labour MP's that openly and publicly voted against Labour today have all been auto expelled?

I can’t believe I’m defending the twunts, but voting against a motion in parliament isn’t comparable to supporting another party at an election, or indulging in a spot of racism when not in possession of a “Jeremy’s circle” card.

[chrisp65]

9 minutes ago, blandy said:

I can’t believe I’m defending the twunts, but voting against a motion in parliament isn’t comparable to supporting another party at an election, or indulging in a spot of racism when not in possession of a “Jeremy’s circle” card.

I'd agree if it made no overall difference to the vote result.

But they swung the result away from their own party and to the party they want out of power.

They were the difference. A lone MP making a nutty stand on cannabis law or freedom for Narnia, fair enough. Causing a defeat at such a sensitive time? Not so sure.

Don't get me wrong, I know they won't get kicked out. Just trying to underline the ridiculous position they've all put themselves in.

[magnkarl]

54 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

I'd agree if it made no overall difference to the vote result.

But they swung the result away from their own party and to the party they want out of power.

They were the difference. A lone MP making a nutty stand on cannabis law or freedom for Narnia, fair enough. Causing a defeat at such a sensitive time? Not so sure.

Don't get me wrong, I know they won't get kicked out. Just trying to underline the ridiculous position they've all put themselves in.

The thing is that JC himself voted against his own party so many times that it would be anything other than largely hypocritical to do anything to them. He's made labour so ineffective that it couldn't stand up to the Brexit party which speaks volumes about the guy.

It's not all bad, at least he's got great people like Lisa Forbes, John McDonnell, Naz Shah, Jackie Walker, Chris Williams and so forth at his back when our country falls apart due to his idiotic stance on Brexit.

[blandy]

On 13/06/2019 at 09:19, magnkarl said:

his idiotic stance on Brexit.

Even his old muckers Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell are realising the absolute mess of it. Abbott says she's "beginning to worry" about it and McDonnell's called it a car crash. Catweazle being puppeted by utter whopper Len McCluskey.

Meanwhile, Corbyn's mate and another utter whopper, Chris Williamson has just been let back in, despite being suspended for a pattern of AS remarks and recommendations for disciplinary action to go to the next level. "Nah, never mind all that anti-semitism disciplinary lark, come on in again"

Both feet, double-barrelled Bang! Bang!  Opposition, what opposition?

[StefanAVFC]

Len McCluskey is the worst of the lot.

Supposed to be in charge of Unite yet is pro-Brexit, despite the unions being against it!

[tonyh29]

16 minutes ago, StefanAVFC said:

Len McCluskey is the worst of the lot.

Supposed to be in charge of Unite yet is pro-Brexit, despite the unions being against it!

He's on record as being Pro-Remain  , he is however anti a second referendum

[HanoiVillan]

15 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

He's on record as being Pro-Remain  , he is however anti a second referendum

I don't think that's weird at all; in fact it's basically my own position. 

[tonyh29]

Just now, HanoiVillan said:

I don't think that's weird at all; in fact it's basically my own position. 

I think most sane people are anti second referendum ...and you of course 

wasn't really saying it was weird , just questioning Stefans view that he was pro-Brexit

 

[blandy]

23 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

I don't think that's weird at all;

On a personal level, fine. The difficulty is that his role is representing his members (including me). His members interests are undeniably, indisputably aligned with remaining in the Yurpeen Onion. Him whispering in Catweazle's ear opposing Labour backing a remain position (which is what he's doing) never mind a second referendum, is another example (and there are many) of what a word removed he is.

[ml1dch]

56 minutes ago, tonyh29 said:

I think most sane people are anti second referendum ...and you of course 

The whole of the sane crowd was anti the first one.

[HanoiVillan]

1 hour ago, blandy said:

On a personal level, fine. The difficulty is that his role is representing his members (including me). His members interests are undeniably, indisputably aligned with remaining in the Yurpeen Onion. Him whispering in Catweazle's ear opposing Labour backing a remain position (which is what he's doing) never mind a second referendum, is another example (and there are many) of what a word removed he is.

I'm not particularly interested in defending mccluskey - I don't really know anything about him - but two points to consider are a) whether a second referendum is a good path to remaining, and b) whether a referendum or a revocation are likely without a labour or labour-led government. 

[blandy]

14 minutes ago, HanoiVillan said:

two points to consider are a) whether a second referendum is a good path to remaining, and b) whether a referendum or a revocation are likely without a labour or labour-led government. 

I refer you to Dianne Abbott and John McDonnell, of all people. If even they're worried about Corbyn's position, because it's harming Labour's chance of ever getting to a labour or labour-led government then maybe that's something more worthy of consideration?

[bickster]

3 hours ago, tonyh29 said:

He's on record as being Pro-Remain 

So is Catweazle, we all know there's no truth in it though

It's about as genuine as Tresah May's love of the Afro-Carribean community