Rugeley Villa Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 we will see what europe in particular is like in years to come then, i think its nonsense in how its played down. just because i am deeply concerned and worried about all this does not mean i am wrong to feel that way, if people are not concerned then great, good for you but everyone is different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 i find it disturbing how people on here who show any concern about this are just dismissed as racist,stupid ignorant people. i would say i am in the majority nationally who are concerned about whats going on would take it seriously as a national and world threat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 So no, I wont be discussing fictional or non-fictional events from a thousand years ago. But if these "fictional or non-fictional events from a thousand years ago" play a contemporary role in informing the collective mentality of a large number of people, you are refusing to discuss what is often rudimentary to many of these conflicts and massacres. Few rational people would argue against your point that all religions throughout history have been used as a reason to slaughter and subject. But the topic of the day due to events in Paris happens to be Islamic extremism. Very few on here are singling Islam out for excessive ridicule. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 7, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would struggle to take seriously anyone who described the events in Paris today as an example of warfare between 'Islam' and the West. Murdering some innocent people at work who have done nothing but been equal opportunity satirists isn't warfare. It's murderous words removed cowardly gunning down human beings with utter barbarity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ads Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share Posted January 7, 2015 Early reports that the three suspects have been caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 7, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Early reports that the three suspects have been caught. Le Pen will be sharpening her vintage guillotine as we speak. Edited January 7, 2015 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would struggle to take seriously anyone who described the events in Paris today as an example of warfare between 'Islam' and the West. As would I. What I wouldn't struggle to take seriously is the idea that the attack against a newspaper critical of Islamic extremism is in fact an attack against the West's concept of freedom of expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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chrisp65 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 i find it disturbing how people on here who show any concern about this are just dismissed as racist,stupid ignorant people. i would say i am in the majority nationally who are concerned about whats going on would take it seriously as a national and world threat. I don't think that's the case Ruge. It's all just opinion and nobody is right or wrong, but I don't think anyone showing concern is dismissed as an ignorant racist. I have concerns and I don't think I'm particularly racist. I can understand you not wanting to go into town centres. I can understand it but I don't agree with it. Do you avoid the train and the tube and buses because of the London bombers that selected public transport? If they declare they will target computer users will you stop going to Currys. Personally, I refuse to let the scum tell me where I can shop and socialise. If anybody wants me tomorrow, I'll be in Whitehall, Putney and Wimbledon. I'll be shopping, having meetings and meeting friends for a coffee. Wary and concerned? Yes. Changing my way of life because that's what they want? **** 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted January 7, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would struggle to take seriously anyone who described the events in Paris today as an example of warfare between 'Islam' and the West.As would I. What I wouldn't struggle to take seriously is the idea that the attack against a newspaper critical of Islamic extremism is in fact an attack against the West's concept of freedom of expression. No, IMO that's the kind of thing people will read into the attack after the fact as it is analysed, perhaps. But their actual motive will be more petulant, direct, and less abstract. Attack someone that had mortally offended their apparent faith, in the aim of vengeance, and enforcing respect for their particular brand of nonsense and further instill fear generally to force that respect in the population at large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 7, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2015 I see the false flag and conspiracy stories have started already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would struggle to take seriously anyone who described the events in Paris today as an example of warfare between 'Islam' and the West. As would I. What I wouldn't struggle to take seriously is the idea that the attack against a newspaper critical of Islamic extremism is in fact an attack against the West's concept of freedom of expression. No, IMO that's the kind of thing people will read into the attack after the fact as it is analysed, perhaps. But their actual motive will be more petulant, direct, and less abstract. Attack someone that had mortally offended their apparent faith, in the aim of vengeance, and enforcing respect for their particular brand of nonsense and further instill fear generally to force that respect in the population at large. I don't think our viewpoints really diverge too much here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) I see the false flag and conspiracy stories have started already. What that it was really the CIA i heard that one as well Edited January 7, 2015 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I've read the Russians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2015 i find it disturbing how people on here who show any concern about this are just dismissed as racist,stupid ignorant people. i would say i am in the majority nationally who are concerned about whats going on would take it seriously as a national and world threat. Nobody is being dismissed as racist or ignorant for being concerned about attacks like this, or for "taking it seriously". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 we will see what europe in particular is like in years to come then, i think its nonsense in how its played down. just because i am deeply concerned and worried about all this does not mean i am wrong to feel that way, if people are not concerned then great, good for you but everyone is different. You think it's played down? Interesting. What I see is wall-to-wall coverage on all possible media, running together Islamism, Islam and Muslims as though they are all the same thing, and a general sense of threat from some amorphous entity which can reach anyone at any time. If it's being played down, god help us when it comes to be exaggerated. What's happening alongside it is that other acts of extremist violence are being downplayed in comparison. We heard today that this attack was the biggest act of terror since 7/7 (Breivik must be distraught that he's been so quickly forgotten); we heard little about the larger number of people murdered in the Yemen; and that attack on the NACCP office was not given prominent coverage as an act of terror. A more objective view would probably not find that incidents like today in Paris are the ones that get downplayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 The fact of it is that more Muslims die at the hands of so called Muslim terrorists then non Muslims. If an attack was to happen in Birmingham city centre then chances are just as many Muslims would be impacted as non Muslims. These people do not care. They are maniacs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
momo Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I would struggle to take seriously anyone who described the events in Paris today as an example of warfare between 'Islam' and the West. As would I. What I wouldn't struggle to take seriously is the idea that the attack against a newspaper critical of Islamic extremism is in fact an attack against the West's concept of freedom of expression. I think the attackers see the world differently. They see attacks on Islam in their view, and decided to take revenge on behalf of themselves (or their group). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 7, 2015 Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2015 I see the false flag and conspiracy stories have started already. What that it was really the CIA i heard that one as well And there was someone on a roof top who filmed it, who people are claiming was Israeli therefore obviously the Mossad are involved as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugeley Villa Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 i find it disturbing how people on here who show any concern about this are just dismissed as racist,stupid ignorant people. i would say i am in the majority nationally who are concerned about whats going on would take it seriously as a national and world threat. I don't think that's the case Ruge. It's all just opinion and nobody is right or wrong, but I don't think anyone showing concern is dismissed as an ignorant racist. I have concerns and I don't think I'm particularly racist. I can understand you not wanting to go into town centres. I can understand it but I don't agree with it. Do you avoid the train and the tube and buses because of the London bombers that selected public transport? If they declare they will target computer users will you stop going to Currys. Personally, I refuse to let the scum tell me where I can shop and socialise. If anybody wants me tomorrow, I'll be in Whitehall, Putney and Wimbledon. I'll be shopping, having meetings and meeting friends for a coffee. Wary and concerned? Yes. Changing my way of life because that's what they want? **** 'em. i agree there is no right or wrong opinion. i dont know mate i just did not feel comfortable going to brum this xmas, not changing my life around because of it i just felt i wanted to stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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