Dr_Pangloss Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) I was always under the impression MON came to the club knowing that Randy would be taking over and investing. MON might not be a very good football manager but he's a very clever man. I doubt he would have joined the club without having a very good idea of who would be his boss. This absolutely is the case, there's absolutely no chance that MON would have come here to work under Doug, it's only because Lerner was coming in (and Lerner obviously took the advice given to him viz. MON) that he accepted Doug's 'offer'. Edited April 22, 2014 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What's Lamberts win percentage and how does that compare to McLeish's and Houllier's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 What's Lamberts win percentage and how does that compare to McLeish's and Houllier's? Is that a trick question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Just curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Time's up for Lambert Considering there was a fan poll only recently where over 80 something % wanted him gone i doubt new owners will persist with such an unpopular choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Dol was gone regardless for taking a team from 6th to 16th. DOL was sacked on the 19th July. Do you not think that was a little late for someone who was being sacked regardless of a takeover? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Missed that fan poll. Has he really alienated the fans that much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Missed that fan poll. Has he really alienated the fans that much? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2608285/Paul-Lambert-brink-Website-poll-shows-86-cent-Villa-supporters-want-struggling-manager-go.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilS Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yep I think it is a case of Lambert seeing out the season now, and then a parting ways one way or another. I know he hasn't had the greatest luck with injuries etc during his time here, but even when we weren't cursed with injuries we were far from great. Lambert had bought a lot of players in to make a squad, that frankly isn't anywhere near good enough. Shame really as I had high hopes at the start of his tenure, but the last two seasons have had some of the most embarrasing results since the dark old days of Billy McNeill. In fact I would almost go as far as saying the last few seasons aren't to disimilar to the Turner/McNeill years in terms of the clear out high earners and replace with young and hungry players. Not all Lamberts fault I know, but he hasn't shown an ability to get the best from what he has which good managers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 So how would Lambert explain beating the big teams, but sometimes hardly competing against the lower teams, Crystal palace an the like. Baffles me?? Obviously this is excluding Man U who Lambert might have gained some credibility back if we beat them, but whatever shit form they are in we seem to roll over everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) I found the win % stats I was searching for... Houllier 35.29% McLeish 21.43% Lambert 31.33% So Lambert has a better win % over McLeish and is just about on par with Houllier's. For the record MON's win percentage 42.11%. If you wanted be pedantic, you could argue (based on those stats) that Lambert has made a better job than his predecessor and has more or less been on par with Houllier who at least was afforded the luxury of being able to spend £24m on just 1 player. EDIT: That Poll is rather damning though. 86% WOW! Edited April 22, 2014 by Supervillan78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I found the win % stats I was searching for... Houllier 35.29% McLeish 21.43% Lambert 31.33% So Lambert has a better win % over McLeish and is just about on par with Houllier's. For the record MON's win percentage 42.11%. If you wanted be pedantic, you could argue (based on those stats) that Lambert has made a better job than his predecessor and has more or less been on par with Houllier who at least had been afforded the luxury of being able to spend £24m on just 1 player. Lambert' on his second season. McLeish and Houllier only had 1 season, not comparable, unless this is based on Lamberts first season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3te Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I don't think much of Lerner but I'd be amazed if he had no say in the appointment of who the manager was going to be. I'm sure he was kept in the loop but chances are Doug and the board at the time would've made their recommendations with Mon at the top of the list and Lerner would've gone with their recommendation. I can't imagine he was too involved beyond that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I found the win % stats I was searching for... Houllier 35.29% McLeish 21.43% Lambert 31.33% So Lambert has a better win % over McLeish and is just about on par with Houllier's. For the record MON's win percentage 42.11%. If you wanted be pedantic, you could argue (based on those stats) that Lambert has made a better job than his predecessor and has more or less been on par with Houllier who at least was afforded the luxury of being able to spend £24m on just 1 player. EDIT: That Poll is rather damning though. 86% WOW! Not sure where you got your figures from but Lambert's is currently a tad over 26%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supervillan78 Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Found them online. Just did a quick search so who knows. I did ask if anyone here had the stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Found them online. Just did a quick search so who knows. I did ask if anyone here had the stats. Go to www.avfc.co.uk and check the league tables for each season that is relevant and then work it out. It doesn't take much effort if you want the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I found the win % stats I was searching for... Houllier 35.29% McLeish 21.43% Lambert 31.33% So Lambert has a better win % over McLeish and is just about on par with Houllier's. For the record MON's win percentage 42.11%. If you wanted be pedantic, you could argue (based on those stats) that Lambert has made a better job than his predecessor and has more or less been on par with Houllier who at least was afforded the luxury of being able to spend £24m on just 1 player. EDIT: That Poll is rather damning though. 86% WOW! Not sure where you got your figures from but Lambert's is currently a tad over 26%. No it isn't. For this season it is 27%, last season it was 34.78%, overall it's at 31.32% as originally stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I was always under the impression MON came to the club knowing that Randy would be taking over and investing. MON might not be a very good football manager but he's a very clever man. I doubt he would have joined the club without having a very good idea of who would be his boss. This absolutely is the case, there's absolutely no chance that MON would have come here to work under Doug, it's only because Lerner was coming in (and Lerner obviously took the advice given to him viz. MON) that he accepted Doug's 'offer'. No ones said that Mon came here to work under Doug, he came here knowing new owners were on their way and Doug getting Mon in was part of the agreement if you like. Lerner didn't ask specifically for Mon to be made manager which is what bj10 is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I found the win % stats I was searching for... Houllier 35.29% McLeish 21.43% Lambert 31.33% So Lambert has a better win % over McLeish and is just about on par with Houllier's. For the record MON's win percentage 42.11%. If you wanted be pedantic, you could argue (based on those stats) that Lambert has made a better job than his predecessor and has more or less been on par with Houllier who at least was afforded the luxury of being able to spend £24m on just 1 player. EDIT: That Poll is rather damning though. 86% WOW! Not sure where you got your figures from but Lambert's is currently a tad over 26%. No it isn't. For this season it is 27%, last season it was 34.78%, overall it's at 31.32% as originally stated. How so? This season he has won 9 out of 34 and last season he won 10 out of 38. Maybe at your school these figures equated to 27% and 34.78% but not at mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted April 22, 2014 VT Supporter Share Posted April 22, 2014 So how would Lambert explain beating the big teams, but sometimes hardly competing against the lower teams, Crystal palace an the like. Baffles me?? Obviously this is excluding Man U who Lambert might have gained some credibility back if we beat them, but whatever shit form they are in we seem to roll over everytime. Easy. Counter attack. When teams attack us we're effective on the break. When teams sit back and let us have the ball we're terrible as we lack any creativity/movement. We're a smash and grab team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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