sexbelowsound Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's not an exact science but I don't think it needs to be. As you allude to progression overall isn't shown - but surely after 2 and a half years there should be I don't disagree with that. I do think though that he probably realised the direct football had reached its limit and has decided to try a different option which probably means it'll stagnate a bit. Who knows, defence is bloody awesome though! You forgot "teams stop scoring goals and allow weaker teams to catch up!" If you are going to play you need to replace your customary !! with a please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Yes, the defence is looking improved which is pleasing to see but that has been achieved to the detriment of the attack. I wonder if we'll only know truly how good the defence is when we have a proper balance to the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Yes, the defence is looking improved which is pleasing to see but that has been achieved to the detriment of the attack. I wonder if we'll only know truly how good the defence is when we have a proper balance to the team. I should hope that is the next stage, yes. I'm not naive enough to think that we will stay in this league on defence alone. We must start scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brumstopdogs Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I should hope that is the next stage, yes. I'm not naive enough to think that we will stay in this league on defence alone. We must start scoring. Reassuring you think we need to score goals too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I should hope that is the next stage, yes. I'm not naive enough to think that we will stay in this league on defence alone. We must start scoring. Reassuring you think we need to score goals too Remember, its not black and white. I'm firmly in the grey. Slightly towards the white though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 I should hope that is the next stage, yes. I'm not naive enough to think that we will stay in this league on defence alone. We must start scoring. Reassuring you think we need to score goals too Remember, its not black and white. I'm firmly in the grey. Slightly towards the white though Definately not in the Pink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Lions_Roar Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 It's a means for comparison and considering Lambo has said it is his strongest squad he has I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that after 20 games (where we are now) that we would see an improvement in position, points and goal difference from last season. Now the Holte have turned Lambo may have to up his managerial performance. I thought the holte had turned before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Definately not in the Pink http://youtu.be/8p_imJ-zgrU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 To those who keep saying we're 12th. Just curious, if we were say 14th/15th right now would your opinion be any different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2015 After 2 and a half years though? It's a pretty big change. A change that I think will take at least 2 or 3 months to be effective. A good change I agree but it just seems to have come out of the blue. I think the change has been season long, but two stages. First stage seemed to be to imrpove the defence, and then build from there by implementing a passing game. Why he chose now to go from defensive counter attacking to possession, I don't know. My guess would be the favourable fixtures we've had recently. Maybe he felt it best to weather our hard run and then attack the passing? Whether this has been his plan all along, who knows? Well he certainly missjudged the timing. Sun 7 16:00 H Leicester City PREM W 2-1 Sat 13 15:00 A West Bromwich Albion PREM L 1-0 Sat 20 15:00 H Manchester United PREM D 1-1 Fri 26 15:00 A Swansea City PREM L 1-0 Sun 28 15:00 H Sunderland PREM D 0-0 35,436 January 2015 Thu 1 15:00 H Crystal Palace PREM D 0-0 29,047 6pts should have got 12pts You kind of missed the point I think. The point was it would be easier to implement a new style against "easier" opponents. The points we got from those games were pretty much irrelevant to what I was talking about. Possible I missed your point you mine AVFC are missing the points I didn't miss yours. I recognise the point you're making. It's just, as I said, largely irrelevant to what I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob182 Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 If this new tactic is one that Lambert is hoping will win us games, then I suppose you could argue that he misjudged the timing Stevo. Of those 6 games, Palace, Sunderland, Baggies and Leicester are all teams that are battling for survival, and will therefore be more inclined to park the bus and let us have the ball. Against Leicester the tactic worked, but against Baggies, Palace and Sunderland, it could be argued that it didn't work (of course, red cards played a part in this). Arguably, our two best performances out of those 6 fixtures (note: performances, not results), were against Man Utd and Swansea, the two best teams our of that 'easy' run. In hindsight, it might have actually been better for us to stick to a more direct approach for the easy games, and try this passing game against the teams that are directly above us, or are expected to be tougher fixtures (Southampton, Everton, West Ham, Newcastle etc). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted January 7, 2015 VT Supporter Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) But that's my point. If you're implementing a new style then you're probably not expecting it to "work" during the bedding in period. Or at least not work as well as it should. It will take some bedding in. Is it better to go through that bedding in stage against lesser teams or the really good teams? I'm not sure what the answer is. If we'd try to implement it against teams like City and Chelsea would we have had the chance to get used to it and then implement it better against the lesser teams? It's a valid argument. But I think there's just as much chance of it being impossible to implement that new style against a team like Chelsea and therefore we'd be in the same position against the easier teams anyway. All I was saying is maybe Lambert looked at the fixtures and thought "well our fixtures are tough up until November/December. So let's get as much as we can out of the first few games playing as we are, and then if we're in a relatively "safe" position we'll worry about trying the new style when the fixtures are more forgiving" I'm not saying that's the right thing to do, I'm just saying that MIGHT have been why it's "taken him so long" to change the style this season. Maybe we could have picked up more points playing our old way in our recent fixtures. But then we'd still be playing the same way. It's a catch 22 really isn't it. At some point you'll have to go through a bedding in process if you're implementing this new style. Pre season would be ideal. But I suspect the goal was to sure up the defence first and foremost this season, and then build from there with the new system. Again, I'm not really trying to justify the timing. Just explaining what I think might be the thought process behind it. Saying we misjudged it because results weren't as good as they should be recently is all well and good. But if you're changing the way you play, you're almost guaranteed to get a period like that. Edited January 7, 2015 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 To those who keep saying we're 12th. Just curious, if we were say 14th/15th right now would your opinion be any different? Position means nothing at this time of the year, I'll look at that come the end of the season. Where it really matters right now is points in the bag, and how many we are clear from those bottom spots... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Straggler Posted January 7, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2015 To those who keep saying we're 12th. Just curious, if we were say 14th/15th right now would your opinion be any different? I'm not one for pointing to where we are in the table all the time, but if we were in 14th/15th right now my opinion would probably be different, mainly because the facts would be different. When the facts change my opinion changes. It seems a logical way of doing things. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobzy Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) To those who keep saying we're 12th. Just curious, if we were say 14th/15th right now would your opinion be any different? Slightly different - we'd be lower in the table. It would depend on the larger circumstances too (do we look in danger of being relegated etc etc). Would yours be any different if we were, say, 9th/10th? Edited January 7, 2015 by bobzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapal_fan Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yea but creating imaginary scenarios is way more fun Straggler, especially if it suits your argument! Would you be happy if we were bottom of the Conference North and just lost 100-0 against Kiddy Harriers - I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T!!! #RAGE. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexbelowsound Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yea but creating imaginary scenarios is way more fun Straggler, especially if it suits your argument! Would you be happy if we were bottom of the Conference North and just lost 100-0 against Kiddy Harriers - I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T!!! #RAGE. Oh man, If that happened i'd be so pissed off! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Would you be happy if we were bottom of the Conference North and just lost 100-0 against Kiddy Harriers - I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T!!! #RAGE. Nonsense, we would have secured a place in the record books and our name would live on for all time. I'd be thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 To those who keep saying we're 12th. Just curious, if we were say 14th/15th right now would your opinion be any different? Slightly different - we'd be lower in the table. It would depend on the larger circumstances too (do we look in danger of being relegated etc etc). Would yours be any different if we were, say, 9th/10th? Yeah it probably would as we'd have picked up more points and more than likely scored more goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCJonah Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Yea but creating imaginary scenarios is way more fun Straggler, especially if it suits your argument! Would you be happy if we were bottom of the Conference North and just lost 100-0 against Kiddy Harriers - I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T!!! #RAGE. I wasn't creating a scenario to suit my argument. It was a pretty simple question, not having a go or arguing with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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