Condimentalist Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sorry Pete, I just can't agree with you. Like I said earlier, if you don't hold the views you don't send the text. I think it's appalling that somebody who has exposed his disgraceful positions on these issues is allowed to walk back into a job within months, and I absolutely do think it reflects badly on the game. You wouldn't be posting that holding racist views and expressing them by text is worse than holding the view that women aren't full people and raping them unless you hold the view that the former is worse than the latter. From that, I can only conclude, in my opinion, that you probably are a rapist, or maybe just wish you had the cojones to rape. Bingo. Damn, I really do give myself away too easily. In all seriousness, and for the umpteenth time now, I do NOT think that what Mackay did is worse than what Evans did. I DO think that it makes his position at least as untenable as Evans, especially to come in as the figurehead of an organisation, and especially for a sport in which racism has become a depressingly prominent feature again. And it wasn't just racism either; homophobia, anti-semitism, sexism, the whole miserable gamut. Somebody who holds such views should not be getting hired as a senior manager within months of exposure, and it reflects extremely poorly on Whelan, Wigan, and football that it's happened. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboyangel Posted November 27, 2014 Share Posted November 27, 2014 Dave Whelan: FA charges Wigan chairman for newspaper comments Wigan chairman Dave Whelan has been charged by the Football Association over comments he made about Jewish and Chinese people in an interview. Whelan, 77, has apologised for the comments and has until 18:00 GMT on 5 December to respond to the FA charge. It is alleged his original statements were "abusive and/or insulting and/or constitute improper conduct and/or bring the game into disrepute". Whelan has also insisted that he was misquoted in the newspaper interview. from http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30236333 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The Wigan owner Dave Whelan has risked further outrage among ethnic communities by referring to Chinese people as “chingalings”. In what was supposed to be an apology to the Jewish community, Whelan gave an interview in which he sought to limit the damage caused by a piece in The Guardian in which he said he believed that “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else”. At the time Whelan was trying to qualify the appointment of Malky Mackay as Wigan’s manager, despite Mackay being under investigation by the Football Association for alleged racism and antisemitism over email and text exchanges while in charge of Cardiff City, one of which apparently described the Cardiff City owner Vincent Tan as a chink. Whelan had defended the use of the term to The Guardian, saying: “If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying. There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.” The comment was instantly condemned by the Chinese community as being an insult and racist. Following the comments the FA charged him with breaching its rule against improper conduct and bringing the game into disrepute; on Thursday it granted him an extra week to provide a response. In the meantime he has risked digging a deeper hole for himself bytelling the Jewish Telegraph: “When I was growing up we used to call the Chinese ‘chingalings’. We weren’t being disrespected. We used to say, ‘we’re going to eat in chingalings’. “The Chinese weren’t offended by that. That was the name everyone in Wigan called [the first Chinese cafe in Wigan].” The remarks came as he continued his attempts to rebuild bridges with the Jewish community by giving credit to “two Jewish boys” for setting him on his way in business after his career was effectively ended by a broken leg when playing for Blackburn Rovers in the 1960 FA Cup final. “Those two boys, they were absolutely a treasure, teaching me margins,” the founder of JJB Sports, said. “Those two lads set me on the road to it all. I hope they come forward because they were so, so helpful to me.” In a sign of the dismay his comments had caused, a fundraising breakfast for a Jewish charity in Manchester where Whelan was due to speak has been called off after donors threatened to withdraw their support. The chairman of Manchester Jewish Community Care, Brian White, told the Jewish Telegraph: “A number of people felt he shouldn’t be given the opportunity and we always listen to our donors. “People were expressing displeasure and we felt we couldn’t risk the organisation suffering.” Whelan was said by the paper to be making a £5,000 donation to the Jewish charity Brookvale for the Mentally Handicapped. He has also offered the Manchester King David School football team the chance to play a Wigan Athletic junior side and will accept an invitation to address their pupils. In a repeat of earlier regrets he has expressed in the wake of The Guardian’s story, he said: “I apologise profusely to anyone who has taken offence because I would never offend the Jewish community under any circumstances. “I have nothing but respect for them. They’re hard-working people, they’re honest people. They fight for what they believe in. “There’s nobody could knock the Jewish community. For them to accuse me of that, it hurts me a lot. “Never have I made anti-Jewish comments. We have always, always respected what the Jewish people did, especially through the war. “We’ve always respected how those Jewish [people] stood up to every single thing they were put through, torture, horrendous. “And I have nothing but the highest regard and respect for the Jewish people.” Following Whelan’s original comments two of Wigan’s sponsors, the kitchen appliances firm Premier Range and the energy drinks firm Ipro,ended their agreements with the club. maybe he should just shut up now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chappy Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) The remarks came as he continued his attempts to rebuild bridges with the Jewish community by giving credit to “two Jewish boys” for setting him on his way in business after his career was effectively ended by a broken leg when playing for Blackburn Rovers in the 1960 FA Cup final. What?! News to me! Edited December 5, 2014 by chappy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 He must have a form of dementia to keep giving these interviews. After being widely condemned and ridiculed for calling the Chinese 'chinks' he follows it up with another interview where he calls them 'chingalings'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 You have to laugh really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnie Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 The hounding of Dave Whelen by the press is nothing short of disgraceful. He is nearly 80 ffs! What he said today was hardly offensive. He is from the old school so common sense should prevail. Its the kind of harmless nonsense our grandparents would say. No menance behind it at all. He should just keep quiet now. The PC brigade who wish to be offended by nothing make me sick tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 5, 2014 Moderator Share Posted December 5, 2014 And what about the Jewish people and Chinese people who are offended by what he has said? I guess like Whelan said they should shut up and get on with things? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodgyknees Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I could be wrong, but I get the feeling he likes the attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I could be wrong, but I get the feeling he likes the attention. Dave Whelan an attention seeker? How dare you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StefanAVFC Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Donnie in defending racist/xenophobic views shocker. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seat68 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 What is the entry criteria for The PC Brigade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisVillan Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 You need a broad preference that people aren't total dicks to each other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ingram85 Posted December 6, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2014 (edited) The hounding of Dave Whelen by the press is nothing short of disgraceful. He is nearly 80 ffs! What he said today was hardly offensive. He is from the old school so common sense should prevail. Its the kind of harmless nonsense our grandparents would say. No menance behind it at all. He should just keep quiet now. The PC brigade who wish to be offended by nothing make me sick tbh.He is hardly the little old granddad sitting at home in his slippers watching the snooker and doing the crossword though is he, he is running a fairly modern football business where in his position of authority comes a lot of responsibility to not be an offensive, racist **** wit who has outdated views. To think he needs to be left alone just goes to show how deeply rooted these issues are in society when people think it is excusable to talk like this. Edited December 6, 2014 by Ingram85 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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