villa84 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 its the past, lets move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Steve Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Great player, great attitude I'll never forget the goal he scored against Chelsea in the Carling Cup, or the goal against Bolton in the 5-3 defeat on the tight angle. Skillful player indeed, not great on confidence but he had a lot against him, totally gets a hero vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianrobo1 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 1 excellent season 1 good season and 3/4 poor seasons, out of the two it would be closer to flop for me, but he shoudl be somewhere between the 2 just about sums it up really, can not really see how people can disagree with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hev Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Not sure why this debate keeps re-occurring - however, my answer is of course "Hero" (and the best looking player at Villa for a long time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hero, but not a legend. Big Dion was more of a modern day legend IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 hero and hev has the support of the wife!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Great player, hero for sure. In fact if we could sign the younger version of him now then our strike force would be complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkr Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 1 excellent season 1 good season and 3/4 poor seasons, out of the two it would be closer to flop for me, but he shoudl be somewhere between the 2 just about sums it up really, can not really see how people can disagree with this Quite easily, you just don't like him because he is a "fancy foreigner" that you are always against regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 1 excellent season 1 good season and 3/4 poor seasons, out of the two it would be closer to flop for me, but he shoudl be somewhere between the 2 just about sums it up really, can not really see how people can disagree with this To be fair, most of the seasons he was 'poor', he barely ever started. 00/01 - 7 starts (2 subs) - 1 goal -- I think anybody that calls this poor has got something againt him, he played football for us for 4 months, that's not even enough time to learn the language, etc. N/A - Not enough starts 01/02 - 27 starts (2 subs) - 12 goals -- This is a very good season, in my opinion, nearly a 1 in 2 goals ratio in goals:starts, which is what World class strikers aim for, this was his first full season. Great season 02/03 - 7 starts (8 subs) - 1 goal -- For some reason Graham Taylor thought it would be a good move to drop our top scorer from last season and kill his confidence because..? You tell me, I can't work it out. Can't rate this season, he simply didn't start enough games. N/A - Not enough starts 03/04 - 33 starts (0 subs) - 16 goals -- DOL did the right thing and bring him back into the side, superb season. When you consider the squad we had back then, this was an oustanding acheivment with 23 goals in all competitions. Superb season 04/05 - 30 starts (5 subs) - 7 goals -- His goal return wasn't great, but when you look at the fact he was our top scorer, it doesn't say much for the rest of the team, does it. Average season in a bad team. Okay season 05/06 - 12 starts (19 subs) - 3 goals -- Didn't get many starts, but when you start more than 10 games and play in over 25, you should get more than 3 goals. Bad season 06/07 - 18 starts (5 subs) - 4 goals -- Like above, he should have done better. Moved on to New York towards the end of Jan. We finished 16th this year, so in his defense the rest of the team was crap. Bad season 203 games - 60 goals - 1 goal every 3.3 games. I'd guess around 50 or so were sub appearances, so his goals per starts ratio wouldn't be much higher than 1 in 2.5 games or so, which is a good return, in my opinion, especially as he played in some shocking Villa sides. 2 outsanding seasons in said bad teams, but finished it off with 2 poor ones, though he was in his 30s then, so was on the down. Not a legend, but a hero and would have flurished in a better team, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 1 excellent season 1 good season and 3/4 poor seasons, out of the two it would be closer to flop for me, but he shoudl be somewhere between the 2 just about sums it up really, can not really see how people can disagree with this Easily, because it's a very simplistic and distorted view of it... and simply it's wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezza Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 For me, JPA will be forever a hero Yes, I agree. I have said it before, and I will say it again - when JPA scored, it felt that it really meant something to him, that his celebrations were something special, and for me, I just felt so pleased for the guy whenever he scored. I think that the Villa will be forever etched in his heart, and he was man enough to put any disappointments and being dropped/left out/whatever to one side, and carried on with dignity and a stout heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ml1dch Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 He was alright. Poster boy of the 'nearly, but not quite good enough' era. Still comfortably one of our better players of the early part of the decade, but more through lack of competition than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hycus-flange Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 i picked flop cos he was shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrogers Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 i picked flop cos he was shite That is clearly a dellusional post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtsimonw Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 i picked flop cos he was shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjw63 Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 60 goals in 203 games, and that's shit? Yes, course it is............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimandson Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 That Chelsea goal was class, one of my favourite goals ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hycus-flange Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 That Chelsea goal was class, one of my favourite goals ever. i agree the chelsea goal was good, and when he was playing for a new contract Angel was good, but to produce that form in very few games means he was either over-acheving in those games or he was lazy in 90% of the games he turned out for us. i prefer the idea that he was lazy, therefore not a hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Legend, so sad when he left He never even got a send off of any sorts, how very sad.. We should invite him back and have him on the pitch at half time or pre match He could take Harewood back with him Maybe we can swap them, personally I think Angel is still better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaajax Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Angel will always be a hero of mine, he was our last hope at a pretty bleak time at the club. He scored some great goals, those league cup goals against Chelsea and Bolton, other pretty good goals, against the likes of Wolves. And not to mention, his first goal pretty much relegated Coventry. He clearly loved the club and didn't want to leave, but we were moving in a different direction. I miss listening to Villa World back in the 2003/04 season when Woodward would stop talking about god knows what and start describing how Angel had just scored or was about to. Oh and he humiliated LA Galaxy with a free kick which he drove under the wall and into the net. Hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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