Pez1974 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Holt coming in has given us a bit of experience. The alternative was no-one. It has also enabled Bowery to go out on loan and get a few games - either so that we can flog him or improve him. I think the moaners are comparing him to signing Benteke #2, which was never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think Grant Holt being in the squad is more important than Holt being on the pitch. He was always going to come in and be a bit part player. He seems quite a character, but he's also a leader and gives that bit of know how to the side. I remember the WBA game in particular and his experience of holding it, winning free-kicks, telling CB where to be. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunny*Nunny Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think Grant Holt being in the squad is more important than Holt being on the pitch. He was always going to come in and be a bit part player. He seems quite a character, but he's also a leader and gives that bit of know how to the side. I remember the WBA game in particular and his experience of holding it, winning free-kicks, telling CB where to be. And also an influential character bigging up the manager in front of the younger players, just in case there's the risk of PL losing the dressing room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Some desperate reasoning to justify having this man wear a villa shirt. Embarrassing everytime he's been on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Holt coming in has given us a bit of experience. The alternative was no-one. No, the alternative was sticking with the five strikers (excluding Kozak) that we had already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think Grant Holt being in the squad is more important than Holt being on the pitch. He was always going to come in and be a bit part player. He seems quite a character, but he's also a leader and gives that bit of know how to the side. I remember the WBA game in particular and his experience of holding it, winning free-kicks, telling CB where to be. He displayed absolutely no know how or experience whatsoever when he came on against Norwich. Other than the ability to lose the ball every time he had it. How could any of the younger players learn anything from him lumping his carcass around the pitch to poor effect? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomaszk Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 It's interesting the defence he's receiving. Terrible terrible player... but we all knew that before he signed. Obviously no one knows how good he is in the dressing room, I imagine Lambo will come out at some point and say how brilliant he was to try and justify the signing. I can only see it demotivating the likes of Helenius, Bowery, Robinson, Burke, even non-forwards like Albrighton and Tonev that they aren't getting mins on the pitch ahead of him. Weimann was fuming when he got brought off for him against West Ham. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Lambert is our manager and Vlaar our captain. It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we have to pay some random lummox to come in and gee the troops up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Lambert is our manager and Vlaar our captain. It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we have to pay some random lummox to come in and gee the troops up. Agreed. And really why would any of our players look up to Holt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Lambert is our manager and Vlaar our captain. It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we have to pay some random lummox to come in and gee the troops up. Agreed. And really why would any of our players look up to Holt? Well, he is a 'proper man' according to our manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Holt coming in has given us a bit of experience. The alternative was no-one. No, the alternative was sticking with the five strikers (excluding Kozak) that we had already. Who have no experience at all, and also can't play as a target man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Lambert is our manager and Vlaar our captain. It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we have to pay some random lummox to come in and gee the troops up. Agreed. And really why would any of our players look up to Holt? hmmm maybe because he has played and scored in every English league and at one time was in line for an England call up. I think you call that experience. Also it's now 10 weeks untill he leaves the club....still 10 weeks left of moaning for the Holt Hate Brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Lambert is our manager and Vlaar our captain. It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we have to pay some random lummox to come in and gee the troops up. Yep you only need one experienced player in a squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Well people are often trying to defend the indefensible on here. We have a manager and backroom staff to influence the dressing room. We would have been better off looking in the yellow pages for the local kids entertainer or local motivational speaker to provide dressing room laughs/moral? And what is wrong with questioning decisions made by the manager? Is he beyond reproach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post villan_007 Posted March 5, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) I can only assume some people have never played football before. In many of the teams I've played in there where many "over the hill" players that hardly played but you learnt so much from them in training, little things here and there, and yes boosting moral when having a bad game with a joke or a bit of advice is great to have, it's so different from the manager. Nobody is saying it's wrong to question the manager. I'm not even saying that Holt is a good signing but I can see the reasons behind it, younger lads need older heads around. The slagging off of this signing is pathetic. It's a loan for good sake a stop gap. It also sums up Lamberts transfer budget. Edited March 5, 2014 by villan_007 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelboyVilla Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Personally I think it's condescending to think that those of us who think the Holt signing was a waste of time and money are not very knowledgeable on football? Plus personally I think this signing summed up Lamberts desperation and smacked of him clutching at straws when his only targets in January were players he knew from his previous club. I think he is in over his head and our inconsistency shows this. We IMO don't play well occasionally because of what Lambert does, we play well occasionally in spite of what he says. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_John_10 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The idea Holt was signed for motivational and inspirational reasons is ridiculous and stupid. He was signed because Lambert wanted a target man on the bench to replace kozak. He was an awful signing, has looked embarrassingly bad on the pitch and is just a complete waste of time. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SikhInTrinity Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think Grant Holt being in the squad is more important than Holt being on the pitch. He was always going to come in and be a bit part player. He seems quite a character, but he's also a leader and gives that bit of know how to the side. I remember the WBA game in particular and his experience of holding it, winning free-kicks, telling CB where to be. He displayed absolutely no know how or experience whatsoever when he came on against Norwich. Other than the ability to lose the ball every time he had it. How could any of the younger players learn anything from him lumping his carcass around the pitch to poor effect? The idea Holt was signed for motivational and inspirational reasons is ridiculous and stupid. He was signed because Lambert wanted a target man on the bench to replace kozak. He was an awful signing, has looked embarrassingly bad on the pitch and is just a complete waste of time. Nice of you to change the wording to motivational and inspiration. No the words used was 'Experience and Leadership' he has experience of battling, he has leadership shown which lead Norwich from League 1 to staying in the Premiership. I doubt he will be here next season anyway, I wonder who your next target will be. Yes he wasn't great against Norwich but neither was Albrighton when he came on. I like how you mention the Norwich game but then don't mention in the same instance he helped us beat Albion by keeping the ball further up field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchard Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 The idea Holt was signed for motivational and inspirational reasons is ridiculous and stupid. He was signed because Lambert wanted a target man on the bench to replace kozak. He was an awful signing, has looked embarrassingly bad on the pitch and is just a complete waste of time. Holt has already been described by the manager as a poor trainer. Why would we bring in such a player and say to the younger ones - "look - follow this blokes example - he's a real man." ? It doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risso Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Lambert is our manager and Vlaar our captain. It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we have to pay some random lummox to come in and gee the troops up. Yep you only need one experienced player in a squad. That isn't what I said, whatsoever. If you're now questioning the amount of younger players in the squad, then that's a direct criticism of Lambert's overall transfer policy. If Lambert needs to bring in somebody as clearly rubbish as Holt is to provide some "experience" then maybe he should have bought some older, decent players in the first place. And that doesn't mean paying ridiculous wages to people who are well past it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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