Isa Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) he didn't pick the 3 Southampton players when they were playing this well last year, flavour of the month, when they end up about 7th / 8th and start to slip from the spotlight then we'll see how many of them get called up, like I said if carrolls fit he'll be back in the frame, wouldn't be surprised if Southampton have the number of players in the England WC squad as us Lambert was called up before and lallana is there to stay. I just honestly don't think we have anyone who has done enough to justify selection. Delph is closest but there is still lack of end product to his game. You can't compare to Cleverley because he's a different type of player.You talk about end product but goals and assists aren't really part of Delph's game. Yes the same way goals weren't really apart of Heskey's game. It didn't mean we accepted him not producing them. Edited November 21, 2013 by Isa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfc96 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Lallana and Rodriguez are in the same boat Young and Gabby were when Villa were high up the table. Talented players playing in a team high in confidence but ultimately are not good enough to make a difference for England and will be found out eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 (edited) Disagree about Lallana. He has leadership qualities than Young doesn't have. He's not a winger either, although he can play there, so you cannot make a direct comparison (he's one of those rare attacking midfielders). I'd play Gabby for England ahead of Young. Edited November 21, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Walcott - Rooney - Sturridge Looks a decent attack to me. Pity the rest of the team, bar a few exceptions, is pretty average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 then what is that would make him add to the England squad? Almost everything else (bar tackling). He adds a lot to the Villa team and would at least add more to England than Cleverley. he didn't pick the 3 Southampton players when they were playing this well last year, flavour of the month, when they end up about 7th / 8th and start to slip from the spotlight then we'll see how many of them get called up, like I said if carrolls fit he'll be back in the frame, wouldn't be surprised if Southampton have the number of players in the England WC squad as us Lambert was called up before and lallana is there to stay. I just honestly don't think we have anyone who has done enough to justify selection. Delph is closest but there is still lack of end product to his game. You can't compare to Cleverley because he's a different type of player. You talk about end product but goals and assists aren't really part of Delph's game. Yes the same way goals weren't really apart of Heskey's game. It didn't mean we accepted him not producing them. Delph isn't a striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 he didn't pick the 3 Southampton players when they were playing this well last year, flavour of the month, when they end up about 7th / 8th and start to slip from the spotlight then we'll see how many of them get called up, like I said if carrolls fit he'll be back in the frame, wouldn't be surprised if Southampton have the number of players in the England WC squad as us Lambert was called up before and lallana is there to stay. I just honestly don't think we have anyone who has done enough to justify selection. Delph is closest but there is still lack of end product to his game. You can't compare to Cleverley because he's a different type of player. You talk about end product but goals and assists aren't really part of Delph's game. Sorry but what is his role then? I know he works very hard and drives forward with the ball and takes on players and those parts of his game are very good. He's similar to wilshere but even he gets the odd goal and assist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 this is my team Depends on Form Walker Cahill Jagielka Baines Townsend Gerrard Oxlade-Chamberlain Walcott Lambert Rooney Counter-attack set up, with Lambert in for the set-pieces. That right wing would just obliterate any side with its pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 this is my team Depends on Form Walker Cahill Jagielka Baines Townsend Gerrard Oxlade-Chamberlain Walcott Lambert Rooney Counter-attack set up, with Lambert in for the set-pieces. That right wing would just obliterate any side with its pace. We'd be killed with only one midfield player 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rev Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Indeed. That team would be so easy to deny possession, especially if it's one of the games where Gerrard decides it's time for a Stevie Walkabout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Delph isn't a striker. Wooooosh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyPowers Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 this is my team Depends on Form Walker Cahill Jagielka Baines Townsend Gerrard Oxlade-Chamberlain Walcott Lambert Rooney Counter-attack set up, with Lambert in for the set-pieces. That right wing would just obliterate any side with its pace. Maybe Lambert should get a serious go over Sturridge. Gerrard on his own in central midfield would be funny though. Given he likes to drop backwards to take the ball off the centre backs (presumably because he doesn't trust them to pass the ball ten yards) we'd be left with no central midfield a lot of the time. It's like a christmas pudding formation with no centre. Let's call it the souffle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 22, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2013 I'm of the belief that if you're not playing regularly, you shouldn't be picked for England. Doesn't matter if you're good, if you're not regularly playing you won't be good enough. People like Cleverly, Sterling, Oxlade Chamberlain, Milner etc shouldn't be in the team (I know some of those aren't at the moment, but they have been in the past under those circumstances) A policy like this would benefit the England team in the long term I reckon. It would encourage the people who actually want to play for england to play for teams where they play every week. (obviously you could make exceptions in specific circumstances) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I can't see us making any progress at the world cup with a CB pairing of Jagielka and Cahill Just thinking about it makes me want to vomit into my coffee Jagielka is the better of an average pair I really don't rate Cahill since he joined Chelsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 At least it won't be Smalling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 I'll be very interested to see if Carroll gets called up when he returns to fitness. The sad thing is he probably will - despite not playing for ages and never being that good in the first place. No doubt though whatever Hodgson does will get defended to the hilt by the media and most people. Delph isn't a striker. Wooooosh! What did I miss then? The comparison was flawed because Delph isn't a striker therefore it isn't his main job to score goals. Likewise, he isn't an attacking or creative midfielder either so again it isn't his job to create assists. It's bizarre really. When talked about in a purely Villa context people on here are positive about Delph and rightly praise him for his performances yet when it comes to England he gets very unfairly slated and crticicised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 if I was you mantis id just cough Michael Carricks name really loudly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isa Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 Your original point was 'goals and assists aren't really part of Delph's game' but just because he isn't producing them doesn't mean that he isn't expected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 so he doesnt produce goals, assists or tackles. Plus his passing isnt great so cant compare to Carrick. I like Delph a very improved player but he isnt good enough for England squad......................yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted November 22, 2013 Share Posted November 22, 2013 (edited) Your original point was 'goals and assists aren't really part of Delph's game' but just because he isn't producing them doesn't mean that he isn't expected to. Is he expected to? I certainly don't. I expect him to run our midfield and drive forward with his mazy runs and he does that well. so he doesnt produce goals, assists or tackles. Plus his passing isnt great so cant compare to Carrick. I like Delph a very improved player but he isnt good enough for England squad......................yet If Cleverley is good enough then so is Delph. Edited November 22, 2013 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 22, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2013 so he doesnt produce goals, assists or tackles. Plus his passing isnt great so cant compare to Carrick. I like Delph a very improved player but he isnt good enough for England squad......................yet The thing is, most people aren't really saying he is. All they're saying is he's more deserving of it than Cleverly. Which is true. Neither of them should be in the squad. But if one of them HAD to be, I'd certainly be choosing Delph over Cleverly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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