jacketspuds Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Who's the next Villa manager going to be... Kenny Dalglish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderholt Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I think it will be Steve Mclaren myself, not saying that's who i'd like, but i think Randy doesn't like poaching managers in jobs already & Mclaren is available. I'd prefer Martin Jol, not sure if he's managing at the moment but if he's available let's get him in. Can't see Moyes leaving Everton no matter what Randy can offer him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I think it will be Steve Mclaren myself, not saying that's who i'd like, but i think Randy doesn't like poaching managers in jobs already & Mclaren is available. I'd prefer Martin Jol, not sure if he's managing at the moment but if he's available let's get him in. Can't see Moyes leaving Everton no matter what Randy can offer him. If its an out of work guy - for me its Rafa or Jol. Still think there's mileage in GH staying in a revised management structure - with a younger guy either replacing or working alongside GMAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowlersrs Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Wjats Steve Mclarens Managerial record? im not a stat attack man but has he had much succes, only jobs i can remember him in is Villaborough, england and that german side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beasley14 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 People may go mad but i think Mclaren would do a good job, he has a good record as a club manager. Wolfsberg didn't really give him a chance and he knew the day he got there his best player wanted to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderholt Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Wjats Steve Mclarens Managerial record? im not a stat attack man but has he had much succes, only jobs i can remember him in is Villaborough, england and that german side McClaren's record is pretty good really, apart from England of course which everyone remembers him for the most but at club level he's had some success, league cup with 'boro, league title with Twente, only given 6 months with Wolfsburg before being sacked. but don't forget he was assistant manager at Man Utd under Fergie in the late nineties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 ....Gary McAllister manager of Villa? based on what exactly? he was only 4th choice as GH's assistant. God, we set our standards low.....its frightening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjames333 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Please don't let Steve McClaren be the next manager of Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czechlad Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Two new additions André Villas-Boas and Jurgen Klinnsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted May 19, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2011 ....Gary McAllister manager of Villa? based on what exactly? he was only 4th choice as GH's assistant. God, we set our standards low.....its frightening At least fifth choice, but yes I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 19, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 19, 2011 Listening to Football Weekly on MOnday, Sean Ingle seemed very sure that mcLaren was interested. He clarified that he didn't know if he'd be considered, but that he would definitely make himself available for it. Auclair said a lot of stuff about Benitez and how he thinks he'll be our next manager, but I think it's already been posted here so i won't go into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 19, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 19, 2011 Who's the next Villa manager going to be... Kenny Dalglish?He's next Villa manager but two, after Rafa and Woy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted May 19, 2011 Moderator Share Posted May 19, 2011 Sean Ingle seemed very sure that mcLaren was interested. I'm very sure McClaren is interested too. We're one of the biggest clubs in the country, we're in good shape and he's an out of work manager wanting to get back into the league. Frankly he'd be mad NOT to be interested. It's not rocket surgery Mr. Ingle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Who's the next Villa manager going to be... Kenny Dalglish?He's next Villa manager but two, after Rafa and Woy. Samuel L voice: That shit's not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy_loes Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Moyes odds cut from 12 to 9/1 with Victor Chandler. That'll be BOF's tenner then. Drifting with Skybet 9/4 from 6/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Look at the top 4 this season - a Scotsman, 2 Italians and a Frenchman. Obviously it's very hard to win something if your not managing one of the best teams in the country. Obviously these foreign managers win things abroad because they manage the best team/biggest club in those country. Villas-Boas winning league with Porto - not that impressive Van Gaal winning league with Bayern - not that impressive Houllier winning league with Lyon - not that impressive Deschamps winning league with Marseille - not that impressive Ancelotti winning league with AC Milan - not that impressive McClaren winning league with FC Twente - very impressive Here's a thought: If every manager in the Premier League was English, then an English manager would win the league, and an English manager would win the FA Cup and an English manager would win the League Cup. Does that mean that English managers have suddenly improved and got much better? No. It just means that they've been given the chance to manage at the biggest clubs/best teams so it increases their chances of success. You can't give English managers jobs at small/medium clubs and then say that they're not good enough because they didn't win they league yet some foreign manager won the league with one of the big clubs in their respective league. It doesn't mean that the foreign manager is better, just he had more chance of success since they get to the manage the best clubs in their leagues, but the English managers don't get to manage the best clubs in England. It's like Big Sam said http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9009565.stm "It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time." I don't believe he got lambasted for what he said. If you manage Real or Barca, you have a very good chance of winning the league, even if you aren't the best manager in the league. Same with Celtic and Rangers. Bayern Munich. Milan and Inter. Porto and Benfica. Lyon and Marseille. etc etc etc Not so easy to win the league with Bolton or Blackburn - pretty much impossible. I hope you guys can understand the point I'm trying to put across. An Italian manager in Italy (for example), you do well at a small club and you get a job at a medium club, you do well at a medium club and you get a job at a top club. In England for an Englishman, you do well at a small club and you get a job at a medium club, you do well at a medium club but you wont get a job at a top club because you haven't won loads of trophies. Well obviously, give them the chance to manage at your top club and then they can go on to win trophies. It's like Mark Palacios said when he was at the FA - they looked at succesors to Sven - Lippi, Hitzfelt, Scolari etc etc - but no Englishmen because they there were no Englishmen with international management experience. Well obviously you give them the job and they will get the experience. You can't just be born with experience. Did Lippi have international experience before Italy gave him the job? No Did Ferguson have experience at a big club before he got the Man U job? No I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. Did that make any sense to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoody Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Just seen Trents red bits on the Houllier thread so C&P'd my reply to TRS-T's above post here. Mods can delete it from the other thread if you like Yes Sam did get lamabasted for saying he could manager the best clubs in Europe and win the double every year. He had the piss taken out of him from pretty much every angle. Ferguson was quite obviously a great manager having won things with Aberdeen already. To be considered a manager good enough to make the step up. You could get a top job without winning things with your club. You just need to excel at the club you are at. If you take over Fulham or Blackburn and get them mid-table. Then you've just done as expected, that isnt 'great' management. Thats just 'average' management. It isnt over-performing. If you are a great manager at a small club, they will over-perform for their standard. Again, pointing to Villas Boas at the team he was at last year. A certainty for Relegation - they got midtable and did very well in the cups. So he was given a chance. A British example (forgetting his history for a minute as it was a long time ago). Hodgson did great with Fulham in Europe so was given a chance at Liverpool. Yes. You wont win things unless you have a top club. But you get to a top club by being an exceptional manager with what you do have. Owen Coyle did an exceptional job at Burnley and now he is over-performing with Bolton, he's still growing into management as his drubbing at Stoke in the FA Cup showed, but give it another season or two and if he is still performing like this he will make the step up. Probably to Us, Everton or Spurs (the next logical step-up). He is out-performing what is expected of his team and is therefore a good manager. Not quite ready just yet as i said he's still growing. Paul Lambert is another. He absolutely outclassed Norwich beating them 7-1 or something ridiculous and then took that job. Out-performed and had them promoted two seasons on the trot. He is out-performing what would have been expected of Norwich by getting automatic promotion to the Prem when last season they were League 1. Again, he is not ready to make the step-up to manage a club going for Europe. In a season or two he will make a step up, then after that another step up etc etc etc. Yes, some managers are given a big job sometimes because they used to be a great player for that team. But I urge you to look at all the management histories of these managers you mention as I'm certain that for the most part they worked their way up. There are only a few British managers out-performing with what they have. Coyle and Lambert the closest to making the step up but are still maybe not quite ready. And would be a gamble given the hectic season we have had. You become a great manager by being consistently great. If Fat Sam was a manager good enough to manage Madrid etc then he would have done VERY **** well with Blackburn and Newcastle etc. He didnt. He did okay, he got them mid-table and he bored the **** out of all the fans whilst doing so. He isn't good enough. McClaren was given a chance at England and **** it up. etc etc. You get the big jobs by doing exceptional at the smaller ones. Not enough British Managers are. Theres no racism or prejudice in it. There just arent enough managers ready to make the step up. I'd even suggest the ones that are there-or-there abouts (Moyes) would maybe not be good enough for the bigger jobs, glas-ceiling and all that. But we'll see. edit: okay just re-read your post and seen you pretty much say what i say. But I would still say there are just not enough managers ready to make the step up. Maybe Moyes is but after that theres nobody really there. Hodgson probably wont get a chance at a big club again. Harry could do well at a big club but will go to England. Moyes, possibly ready would be a leap of faith for a big club to hire him. Then who? There isnt really anybody there setting the world alight. Coyle + Lambert but they need time to grow as managers and prove themselves consstently in the prem before being given a chance. Theres a big gap in English management and its not the big clubs' fault. Its the FA's. also still stand by my point that if Sam, McClaren etc were good enough theyd have performed much better with what they had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 Fair enough but can you ever see Roman Abramovich appointing a British manager? Seriously, how did Avram Grant get the Chelsea job? Same with Arsenal? Can you see them appointing a British manager? I can't. Maybe Fergusons successor could be British but most reckon it'll be Mourinho. At least Harry is at Spurs and we had Hodgson and now Dalglish at Liverpool which is good to see. If we see English/British managers getting the top jobs in England, then that would also strengthen the case of having an English manager doing the England job. Pretty sure Harry was only the first Englishman to manage in the Champions League (or maybe CL last-16?)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoody Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I think Abramovic could have been tempted by Harry yes. But who else is there that is truly good enough? Avram got it because he was already at the club and the players liked him. He was runner up in 3 cups for them. It wasnt exactly a disaster and he was only there for a bit as a stop-gap was he not? Coyle could be a good bet for Arsenal in the future. But no I cant see it.. again because not really any British managers suit their style of play. Again. not Arsenals fault. Man U is the biggest management job going It will go to the best manager in the world at that time. Many would say that is Mourinho. If Mourinho was British it would still go to him. And if barely any Englishmen have managed in the CL.. does that not tell you something about the state of coaching in the UK? that no Foreign teams seek our management either? We get many foreign managers but we're talking here that one of the biggest footballing nations can barely put somebody in a managerial position that can succeed? Is it more that no teams will give a chance to the poor Englishmen? or is it just that by and large our Style of Play and quality of coaching is just not good enough for teams on the European stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRS-T Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I dunno, you say that no foreign teams seek our management but they don't seek our players either. English players don't play abroad. English managers don't manage abroad. Foreign players play in England though. And foreign managers manage in England though. I hope Harry gets the England job so that he can serve as an example to other Englishman that you can succeed as an English manager in this country at the top of the game. Bournemouth -> West Ham United -> Portsmouth -> Southampton -> Portsmouth -> Tottenham Hotspur -> England Would be a nice story, as apposed to Capello. AC Milan -> Real Madrid -> Milan -> Roma -> Juventus -> Real Madrid -> England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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