juanpabloangel18 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 FWIW i think we should be going all out to get Ray Wilkins in as coach. Its no surprise to anybody (apart from maybe Abramovich) that Chelseas season fell apart as soon as Wilkins left. He could work wonders here i reakon Supposedly, all Wilkins really did was act as a 'player-spokesman'; his role was basically to pass information between Ancelotti and the players. Not sure he actually did that much coaching. Not sure what all the fuss is about tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 FWIW i think we should be going all out to get Ray Wilkins in as coach. Its no surprise to anybody (apart from maybe Abramovich) that Chelseas season fell apart as soon as Wilkins left. He could work wonders here i reakon Supposedly, all Wilkins really did was act as a 'player-spokesman'; his role was basically to pass information between Ancelotti and the players. Not sure he actually did that much coaching. Not sure what all the fuss is about tbh Well he obv did something half decent - hence the fact they barely won in the immediate aftermath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 FWIW i think we should be going all out to get Ray Wilkins in as coach. Its no surprise to anybody (apart from maybe Abramovich) that Chelseas season fell apart as soon as Wilkins left. He could work wonders here i reakon Supposedly, all Wilkins really did was act as a 'player-spokesman'; his role was basically to pass information between Ancelotti and the players. Not sure he actually did that much coaching. Not sure what all the fuss is about tbh Wilkins had been there for years - not just since Ancelotti got there. I think its fair to say hes a bit more than just a translator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 On the subject of Ray Wilkins - his departure coincided with Chelsea's terrible run of league form. He obviously had a major influence at the club and sacking him was probably one of their biggest mistakes over recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodytom Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 On the subject of Ray Wilkins - his departure coincided with Chelsea's terrible run of league form. He obviously had a major influence at the club and sacking him was probably one of their biggest mistakes over recent years. My bet is he said to Abramovich - 'were not going to win the league with you picking the team'!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Ray Wilkins comes with far too much Chelsea baggage / affinity Imagine the love in when he went back to Bridge with the Villa No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted May 18, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2011 I actually subscribe to both views. I don't think Wilkins did much, and I think that is probably why he was sacked. However, he was ver friendly with the players, they probably saw him as one of them, almost, being "Chelsea through and through" SO even though he didn't do much, when he left the players were miffed by it because they liked him. I don't think hiring him would help. He wouldn't do enough to justify the wages and when he left we'd have a chelsea situation where the players were affected even though it may have beent he right decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmooney Posted May 18, 2011 VT Supporter Share Posted May 18, 2011 Wilkins? I fackin hate that cahnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Stay on your feet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danceoftheshamen Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Wilkins? Isn't he the dude who invented the way of playing football the same as rugby where you can only pass backwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The fact you were competing with Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea and Benitez was trying to buy Barry and Robbie Keane, pretty much outlines my reasons for not wanting him. They weren't players that got my pulse racing, I admit. But his policy that summer was clear - bring in proven premier league performers and have a serious go at the title (the next season we did). At that time, he was being accused of favouring Europe and this was his way of addressing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyh29 Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 FWIW i think we should be going all out to get Ray Wilkins in as coach. Its no surprise to anybody (apart from maybe Abramovich) that Chelseas season fell apart as soon as Wilkins left. He could work wonders here i reakon Supposedly, all Wilkins really did was act as a 'player-spokesman'; his role was basically to pass information between Ancelotti and the players. Not sure he actually did that much coaching. Not sure what all the fuss is about tbh OT but Wilkins did all the training and more importantly was highly respected by the players A certain Chelsea player walked up to the directors table at breakfast the morning after the sacking and called them all a bunch of rocket polishers Wilkins sacking was politically motivated and part of what is wrong with that club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The fact you were competing with Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea and Benitez was trying to buy Barry and Robbie Keane, pretty much outlines my reasons for not wanting him. They weren't players that got my pulse racing, I admit. But his policy that summer was clear - bring in proven premier league performers and have a serious go at the title (the next season we did). At that time, he was being accused of favouring Europe and this was his way of addressing it. So what did he do next season? Forced Alonso out (your best player by far imo) and replaced him with Aquilani who hasn't worked out in your club at all. I don't trust his judgement in the market. He'll probably do something similar here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I'm sorry, but I just don't like Moyes at all. Maybe I'd change my mind if he came to Villa and brought them success. But I don't see that he did all that could be done with Everton given the players they had a few seasons back. I think it's because he can finish in good positions with a shoestring budget. Just imagine if he had a fair budget? I think that's what some of us are excited about. Im with 1959 Lion on this. Genuinely dont get it. Notoriousley slow at starting a season are Everton, havent won anything. Some dire league positions with some good ones. Spent money (just not been handed it on a plate which i give him credit for) - bought some good players as well as some bad ones. Teams/Managers have had good league positions and actually won things on less of a budget than Moyes has had. Think the media hype him up beyond belief. And who knows, he could be an absolute failure with a bigger budget. The link that he will be a good replacement for SAF is laughable imo - genuinely not that good and also seems a bit of an arsehole Who has won things on a lesser budget in the last 10 years? SHA.... Smalltime Alliance's net spend is less than Everton's? Also Everton have qualified for the Champions League, played in the Europa League several times and finished significantly higher in the league during every season of the last ten years. I'd take Everton's last ten years over that of SHA any day of my life. I'm still not so sure their net spend is any lower than Everton's though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 The fact you were competing with Man U, Arsenal and Chelsea and Benitez was trying to buy Barry and Robbie Keane, pretty much outlines my reasons for not wanting him. They weren't players that got my pulse racing, I admit. But his policy that summer was clear - bring in proven premier league performers and have a serious go at the title (the next season we did). At that time, he was being accused of favouring Europe and this was his way of addressing it. So what did he do next season? Forced Alonso out (your best player by far imo) and replaced him with Aquilani who hasn't worked out in your club at all. I don't trust his judgement in the market. He'll probably do something similar here. That isn't what happened. This is what I'm talking about - the media put out misinformation and the masses swallow it whole. Alonso was for sale the same summer we were pursuing Barry. At that point, he'd been off-form or injured for two full seasons. He was available for £16m but nobody would pay it. He went on to have the season of his life and Real paid £35m for him the following summer. It's true he and Benitez didn't get along in the end but this is why he left: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/5578084/Xabi-Alonso-warns-that-tax-will-drive-top-players-away.html The summer Aquilani came in, Christian Purslow was in place as MD. He is a specialist in managing distressed assets and was effectively appointed by RBS to seek investment and reduce the debt. There was no transfer budget of which to speak, we were restricted to doing business with clubs who still owed us for previous transfers. Hence Glen Johnson (Peter Crouch money) and Aquilani (Riise money). Aquilani is top player, in my opinion. But he arrived injured. But if he wasn't injured, we likely couldn't have afforded him or competition would have been more fierce. As it was, Roma agreed to this payment structure: - 4 cash instalments of - - 5 million EURO upfront - - 3 million EURO by 4th January 2010 - - 7 million EURO by June 30th 2010 - - 5 million EURO by June 30th 2011. So he played very little football and yeah - we missed Alonso. But when Aquilani was fit, he showed signs of his class. 6 assists in 9 starts. But there are too many shades of grey there for the media. He missed most of the season, therefore he was a flop. "So why didn't you keep him?" I hear you ask. That's a question only Roy Hodgson can answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I still think Benitez would be a real coup if you could get him. You'll struggle to find a more talented manager. Is Roy Evans a coup as well? I won't bang that drum anymore though. Last summer, I was told by any number of non-Liverpool fans what a good manager Roy Hodgson was even though I knew he was the wrong man. Roy Hodgson has proven by taking Fulham from the brink of relegation to a UEFA Cup final and the miracles he has worked with West Brom in such a short time that he is a very good manager - and that is disregarding the successes he has had on foreign shores. He just wasn't a big enough name for Liverpool, and was forced out by the uberspacktards Gerrard and Carragher. You're ill-informed. Gerrard and Carragher approved Roy's appointment from the start and Carragher in particularly backed him right until his position became untenable. And herein lies the problem. Gerrard and Carragher have far too much power at the club. Roy's a good manager if you want somebody to take your relegation-threatened team into mid-table, sure. But that's his limit. The size of his name wasn't the problem. He took Fulham from almost certain relegation to a Europa League Final. A Europa League Final is about the best Liverpool could hope for at the moment. Top four material they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFC-Prideofbrum Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I agree with Redman, I think Hodgson is limited to lower table teams. I don't think he's one to push you on from mid table to top 6/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 Spending. It was always the gross that got reported, never the net. Liverpool turned over a shitload of players under Rafa. A lot of money went out and a lot came back in. The net spend was £20m a season - not a huge amount for a club like Liverpool. More than the Mancs (but only because of the Ronaldo sale), considerably less than Chelsea and more than Arsenal (who we out-performed). Remember these were the clubs we were expected to compete with. And remember we were coming from further back when Benitez arrived - he had an entire squad to rebuild Rafa won the European Cup in his first season with Gerard Houllier's players, then it all went steadily downhill. Jerzy Dudek Steve Finnan Jamie Carragher Sami Hyypiä Djimi Traoré Xabi Alonso Luis García Steven Gerrard © John Arne Riise Harry Kewell Milan Baroš Only two Rafa signings in there. So, if he had to rebuild - but he pretty much inherited an all-conquering team - how did it all go so awfully shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redman Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 And herein lies the problem. Gerrard and Carragher have far too much power at the club. Correction: They HAD too much power. Christian Purslow was trying to sell the club which mean't keeping the top players settled. He could either side with Gerrard and Carra and replace Rafa or side with Reina and Torres and keep him. He took Fulham from almost certain relegation to a Europa League Final. A Europa League Final is about the best Liverpool could hope for at the moment. Top four material they are not. You have to give credit to Roy for the Europa League run- That's probably what earn't him the Liverpool job. Purslow, Gerrard and Carra made the same mistake you just did and took that achievement as evidence he could manage one of the biggest clubs in world football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis_B Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 WTF? He even types in fecking RED! - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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