villa89 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Another result that will provide plenty of excuses to keep the manager not good enough for Cardiff. Excellent. Hopefully a new 5 year deal for Pogba is next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, villa89 said: Another result that will provide plenty of excuses to keep the manager not good enough for Cardiff. Excellent. Hopefully a new 5 year deal for Pogba is next. 2 points off top if they win their game in hand. 9 league away wins in a row. He qualified them for the CL last year, will probably do it again this year. Could win a domestic cup easily. They are in a reasonably good place, especially against the back drop of the past few seasons. Bruce got pelters for suggesting what seems to happen to United every time they drop points. People seem to be desperate for United and Ole to fail. Nobody wins every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Genie said: 2 points off top if they win their game in hand. 9 league away wins in a row. He qualified them for the CL last year, will probably do it again this year. Could win a domestic cup easily. They are in a reasonably good place, especially against the back drop of the past few seasons. Bruce got pelters for suggesting what seems to happen to United every time they drop points. People seem to be desperate for United and Ole to fail. Nobody wins every game. They ain't winning the league buddy. Probably ain't winning anything. Not until they get in a proper manager The tactics yesterday was a prime example in why they won't win anything under the current setup. Edited December 9, 2020 by villalad21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, villalad21 said: They ain't winning the league buddy. Probably ain't winning anything. Not until they get in a proper manager The tactics yesterday was a prime example in why they won't win anything under the current setup. I didn’t say they would win the league. I think they could qualify for the Champions league again, and potentially win a domestic trophy. That’s a decent place to be at the moment. Not brilliant but ok. Not worth sacking the manager for. If they can sort out their transfer policy and bring in more players who have hit the ground running like Bruno and Cavani then they’ll get closer to a title challenge. Yes, they lost 3-2 to Leipzig, again, not ideal but not panic stations either. If they get to the Europa league final which is not unrealistic it won’t be a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Genie said: I didn’t say they would win the league. I think they could qualify for the Champions league again, and potentially win a domestic trophy. That’s a decent place to be at the moment. Not brilliant but ok. Not worth sacking the manager for. If they can sort out their transfer policy and bring in more players who have hit the ground running like Bruno and Cavani then they’ll get closer to a title challenge. Yes, they lost 3-2 to Leipzig, again, not ideal but not panic stations either. If they get to the Europa league final which is not unrealistic it won’t be a disaster. It is a disaster. Not won a trophy since Mourinho's first season. For a club that size that should not be happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, villalad21 said: It is a disaster. Not won a trophy since Mourinho's first season. For a club that size that should not be happening. They won a couple of trophies in 2017. It’s now 2020 and Ole got them back into the Champions league last year (absolutely essential for Man United marketing and revenue) and has them well placed in the league so far this year at about 1/3 of the season complete. Ole looks a bit of a wet fish sometimes but it’s not all terrible. Sacking him would be a mistake at this point. Ridiculing him also is not fair. Theres more space beneath them to drop into than above. Just look at Arsenal who thought they were too good for finishing 4th and winning domestic cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 They should have qualified after winning in Paris and thrashing Leipzig at home but that shocking result in Turkey cost them dearly in the end. No consistency even in matches. Hit or miss with them. Maybe a new manager would change that but they have had so many managers since Ferguson. It needs more than just a change of manager there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulC said: They should have qualified after winning in Paris and thrashing Leipzig at home but that shocking result in Turkey cost them dearly in the end. No consistency even in matches. Hit or miss with them. Maybe a new manager would change that but they have had so many managers since Ferguson. It needs more than just a change of manager there. This is it. They don’t have an identity. You look at City, Spurs and Liverpool and you can tell what kind of club they are and what they are trying to do. With United it’s a scattergun approach with random signings that don’t seem to fit a specific system. The pursuit of Sancho summed it up. Someone like that really shouldn’t be the priority anyway with creative players like Bruno, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, and James in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Genie said: This is it. They don’t have an identity. You look at City, Spurs and Liverpool and you can tell what kind of club they are and what they are trying to do. With United it’s a scattergun approach with random signings that don’t seem to fit a specific system. The pursuit of Sancho summed it up. Someone like that really shouldn’t be the priority anyway with creative players like Bruno, Martial, Rashford, Greenwood, and James in the squad. I think you've had the better of the argument in this thread TBH, but I don't agree with the bolded. For a club like United, it's not just about what they most desperately need on the pitch, but also about the need to be seen to be able to still attract top players, to be an apex predator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 minute ago, HanoiVillan said: I think you've had the better of the argument in this thread TBH, but I don't agree with the bolded. For a club like United, it's not just about what they most desperately need on the pitch, but also about the need to be seen to be able to still attract top players, to be an apex predator. Yep, having such a public pursuit of a player and not being able to land him underlines their problems behind the scenes. They also weren’t able to offer Jack a deal he couldn’t refuse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Just now, Genie said: Yep, having such a public pursuit of a player and not being able to land him underlines their problems behind the scenes. They also weren’t able to offer Jack a deal he couldn’t refuse. Yes, absolutely; the flipside of pursuing 'the big catch' is if you don't get them it looks all the worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genie Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 I can’t think of other big clubs that have these long drawn out transfer sagas. Go in, money on the table, take it or leave it or we’ll move on. That’s how most other big boys do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardiffGreens Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Genie said: I can’t think of other big clubs that have these long drawn out transfer sagas. Feels like it's been that way since the time Everton told them "£26mil for Baines and Fellaini, but you'll need to get the offer in before the end of July" and their reply must have been, "no thanks, we'd much rather wait until the last day of the window to pay the same amount just for Fellaini, thank you very much". 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 In a really healthy position in the league. How they do in the big games will be absolutely crucial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 How on earth are we all of a sudden not even in striking distance of Man United? If we won our game in hand, we would still be behind them. If they won their own game in hand, they'd be 2nd. Quite a turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villalad21 Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 hours ago, One For The Road said: If they won their own game in hand, they'd be 2nd. Quite a turnaround. Yeah but they've not been good in the big games. Losing to Spurs, Losing to Arsenal, drawing with Chelsea and City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One For The Road Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, villalad21 said: Yeah but they've not been good in the big games. Losing to Spurs, Losing to Arsenal, drawing with Chelsea and City. Even more reason why I'm disappointed to be 4 points behind them after our great start Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HanoiVillan Posted December 18, 2020 Share Posted December 18, 2020 They could well finish 2nd. Surely nobody would argue that was a bad season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 18, 2020 Moderator Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, HanoiVillan said: They could well finish 2nd. Surely nobody would argue that was a bad season. But they won’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rds1983 Posted December 18, 2020 VT Supporter Share Posted December 18, 2020 10 hours ago, One For The Road said: How on earth are we all of a sudden not even in striking distance of Man United? If we won our game in hand, we would still be behind them. If they won their own game in hand, they'd be 2nd. Quite a turnaround. We have two games in hand, if we win both we'd have 25 points. That puts us top 4 and possibly 2nd depending on goal difference and Man City!/United results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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