Dodgyknees Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Why the hell would we bid £600k under his release clause and expect them to accept? Mental. Well that's it. Save money I guess, if it were true. Not sure other than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_of_Pongo_Waring Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Why the hell would we bid £600k under his release clause and expect them to accept? Mental. Well that's it. Save money I guess, if it were true. Not sure other than that. Maybe as a way of confirming our interest to the player but slowing things down as we're waiting to off load someone first. Or possibly the exact figure of the 'release clause', if there is one, was in doubt. I'll be honest I know the square of sod all about the player but it's been an entertaining bit of speculation and it'd be very funny, considering the abuse she's received, if Julie B turns out to be correct. Even if she's done herself no favours with her tweets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryu.yokoi Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) Could just be paper talk, but the Japanese Sports daily Sankei Sports (known as Sanspo) is reporting on 7/6 that Villa, having had an offer rejected at 1.1 Billion Yen (7.5MM Pounds), has returned to Nuremberg with a new bid at 1.3 Billion Yen (8.5 MM Pounds). What I find interesting is that: 1) They had previously reported the initial inquiry a few days ago, and this was a fresh story they just put on the wire. 2) They are attributing the story to their print edition rather than to European papers or nebulous websites. No discussion of Nuremberg's reaction to the alleged new bid is noted. Latest story on reupped offer: http://www.sanspo.com/soccer/news/20130706/bun13070605030000-n1.html Story on the initial offer being rejected: http://www.sanspo.com/soccer/news/20130704/bun13070405030001-n1.html Also, I think any reports saying we'll see Hiroshi at Bodymoor anytime soon are prob rubbish - according to his verified twitter account (13_hiroshi), he just participated in a charity event organized by United's Shinji Kagawa, and his official blog has him doing a promotional event for the Japanese FMCG firm Asahi on Monday, so it looks like he is in Japan this week. It might be worthwhile keeping tracking of the Tokyo sports dailies in the coming days... Expect the worst, hope for the best. Edited July 7, 2013 by ryu.yokoi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4life Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) Why the hell would we bid £600k under his release clause and expect them to accept? Mental. Well that's it. Save money I guess, if it were true. Not sure other than that. Maybe as a way of confirming our interest to the player but slowing things down as we're waiting to off load someone first. Or possibly the exact figure of the 'release clause', if there is one, was in doubt. I'll be honest I know the square of sod all about the player but it's been an entertaining bit of speculation and it'd be very funny, considering the abuse she's received, if Julie B turns out to be correct. Even if she's done herself no favours with her tweets. Just to weigh in We may have offered less than the clause as meeting the clause means that its a straight cash deal. Rather than offer that, it is entirely possible that we are trying to structure some deal with a lower fee but more add-ons such as appearance and sell-on clauses to incentivize Nuremberg into accepting the lower initial amount Good for us as we don't have to meet the fee initially and save a little money (Think about what Lambert could do with 600k!) Good for them as potentially they receive more money than the actual clause amount I'm going to stick my neck out and say that if there is a clause, his agent has told us about it in which case he wants to come and this gets done at some point soon. The report of a second bid seems to indicate that he is our number 1 target and interestingly no-one else seems to be linked with him..... If there is a clause, Nuremberg's only real move to keep him is to get him to sign a new contract with a higher clause or no clause at all, asap Edited July 7, 2013 by villa4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarpie Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think transfer fee clauses can only be triggered by paying the whole sum at once unless the selling club agrees otherwise, if the reports of our first offers were true we probably offered to pay 7,5 million over the certain time and then add-ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimzk5 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Why the hell would we bid £600k under his release clause and expect them to accept? Mental. Well that's it. Save money I guess, if it were true. Not sure other than that. Were using the alan partridge house buying haggle method "How much is it up for" "£155,000" "Will you take £154,000?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think the sale of a player or two may help facilitate any further strengthening of the first team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Strikes me as bit of Dougonomics, like that £500k we couldn't find for Robbie Keane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AValon Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think the sale of a player or two may help facilitate any further strengthening of the first team Well, if we DO want him, it may mean we have to 'anticipate' those sales and cough up the release clause on the back of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4life Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 My original point is that whilst in the case of release clauses there is an absolute amount that will secure the player's services, it is still possible to get a deal done for less. It is advantageous to us as the entire amount does not have to be booked into a single calendar year's finances (And essentially the finances are what have been dictating our policy for the last couple of years) Im not too worried over the club quibbling over the odd 500k. If anything the last few years should have shown us that casually tossing money away on fees and wages just because, is a recipe for disaster. (Its always easier to spend other peoples money eh) Who knows why we are trying to save the money, maybe there's another marquee signing mooted for whom we may need to save the pennies for... If other teams were making bids that were being accepted and we were still offering less, THEN I'd be worried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I think the sale of a player or two may help facilitate any further strengthening of the first team Well, if we DO want him, it may mean we have to 'anticipate' those sales and cough up the release clause on the back of it.and we may still do but I'll point you to the six players we have signed already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Why are we talking about release clauses? Isn't it only She Who Must Not Be Named who mentioned them? This transfer really isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Why the hell would we bid £600k under his release clause and expect them to accept? Mental. If we trigger Kiyotake's release clause with an official bid, we could be gazumped by another club coming in with a higher bid at the last minute. Triggering the release clause could trigger a bidding war. We don't want to get into a bidding war. We want to know if Nuremberg will accept their baseline price for him. If they had, we could wrap up the transfer without any other club being alerted to our deal. Doesn't seem like they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 (edited) How can we be "gazumped" by a higher bid if we've met his release clause? Edited July 7, 2013 by dont_do_it_doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 You said we bid £600 under his release clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 No he didn't Con. DK said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwpzxjor1 Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 How can we be "gazumped" by a higher bid if we've met his release clause? Clubs can accept higher offers and then 'encourage' their player to go with the bigger offer one. It's unusual though. I think the bidding war in this instance is other clubs matching the release clause and offering more wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 No he didn't Con. DK said that. lol, no, I'm right post #560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Our story so far, allegedly: "Hey, give you guys 7 1/2 million for Kiyotake." "We are sorry, but the player is not for sale." "Okay... Will you take 8 1/2 million?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 It's still rumbling away..... http://linkis.com/dlvr.it/5xcD Nuremberg: Drmic sign Kiyotake to Villa? As foreseen for several days, the leaders of Nuremberg formalized the arrival of Josip Drmic. The German management has paid 2.2 million to recruit FC Zurich striker, who signed a four-year lease. In the other direction, the German team has rejected a new offer from Aston Villa for Hiroshi Kiyotake. According to Kicker, having made a proposal for 7.5 million euros, the Villains are back with an estimated 8.5 million slightly higher offer. Strangely, I heard info today that would side with Julie (about our attempts to sign him) but that our (highest) attempted bid fell 600k under his clause. I dont like posting things like this, have been wrong in the past, but the person who told me would have no idea who Julie is. Why the hell would we bid £600k under his release clause and expect them to accept? Mental. No he didn't Con. DK said that. lol, no, I'm right post #560 No Con you're wrong as usual. DK made the statement and the poster then replied by questioning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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