brommy Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I don't think it's lazy 'heightism' to compare him to Crouch and I don't see that as an insult. Considering their height, they're not great in the air but have deceptively good feet. My first impression to the comparison is that Helenius has a little more vision than Crouch. I hope Helenius is as difficult to play against but has greater end product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Bit like Benteke really, I believe he's deceptively good with his feet as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fun Factory Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I wonder how much game time this season he will get now Benteke is here to stay? I guess he will start as a impact sub and see how he gets along. For 1.5mil is a safe bet. If he doesnt make it, it is not going to cost the club anything. I mean we paid £4 million for Marlon Harewood about 5 years ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 (edited) Helenius as a False-9 in a 4-2-3-1 - which we played frequently last year. (edit: actually Helenius would have to take up Benteke's position to play the false 9 role. here I have him playing #10). Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan 3-3-3-1 Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Luna Clark Lowton Vlaar Okore Guzan Edited August 6, 2013 by Con Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Troglodyte Posted August 4, 2013 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted August 4, 2013 3-3-3-1 Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Luna Clark Lowton Vlaar Okore Guzan I like that we're allowed an additional, unnamed player in this one. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiWillSignForVilla Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 that 3-3-3-1 would get annihilated, if we play 3 at the back we will almost certainly play a 5-3-2 with two wing backs to provide width, with Helenius or Weimann partnering Benteke, which is pretty mouth watering. Excited about this guy, would love to see him upfront with Benteke, but I can't think of a formation which would accommodate that and play to our other strengths around the park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 That's Clark stepping into midfield from 3rd CB. The false-9 is like the opposite, steps into midfield from striker. The transition areas between midfield and attack and defence and midfield are very important, Helenius is one of those transition players, Clark is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KjParton Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Weird, I was just watching Forest Gump, decided to go into this thread and the age of aquarius song was in the movie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaB-Aalborg Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Just remember to give him time to develop and build some muscles on - and allow for him to fail and play a few bad games Despite that he seems to blend in well, we have yet to see him against PL-opposition. That being said, i think it looks promising, in my eyes he has shown that he has the potential to succed and Lambert has an idea about how he wants him to play. Hopefuelly Helenius will be able to make an impact already this season for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanxamillion Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 That's Clark stepping into midfield from 3rd CB. The false-9 is like the opposite, steps into midfield from striker. The transition areas between midfield and attack and defence and midfield are very important, Helenius is one of those transition players, Clark is another. Given the season we had last year I think we need a dedicated midfield of 3 with delph westy and sylla as the defensive model, exchange one or two with bacuna / tonev / el hamadhi or even helenius for a more offensive approach perhaps clark as the extra defensive option. A dedicated attack with gabby, benteke and weimann plan 'a' with possibly bowry / helenuis as a back up or last throw of the dice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdulaziz1 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 That's Clark stepping into midfield from 3rd CB. The false-9 is like the opposite, steps into midfield from striker. The transition areas between midfield and attack and defence and midfield are very important, Helenius is one of those transition players, Clark is another. Given the season we had last year I think we need a dedicated midfield of 3 with delph westy and sylla as the defensive model, exchange one or two with bacuna / tonev / el hamadhi or even helenius for a more offensive approach perhaps clark as the extra defensive option. A dedicated attack with gabby, benteke and weimann plan 'a' with possibly bowry / helenuis as a back up or last throw of the dice. I actually say Tonev might have a good competetion with Gabby and Weimann .. Weimann could go to the middle though .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers13 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 (edited) Helenius as a False-9 in a 4-2-3-1 - which we played frequently last year. Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Delph Luna Vlaar Okore Lowton Guzan 3-3-3-1 Benteke Weimann Helenius Agbonlahor Westwood Luna Clark Lowton Vlaar Okore Guzan That's not what a false nine is though, a false nine isn't a guy playing behind the striker, a false nine is, well I'm having trouble explaining it so this link does a better job than I could. http://www.fifahub.com/index.php?/topic/872-what-is-a-false-9-basic-concepts-explained/ Edit: Yes that's about a video game but same concept Edited August 6, 2013 by Rovers13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heid3ster Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 He's not a false 9. He's an actual 9. (My shirt arrived today!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 In my 30+ years of watching and playing football I've never come across the term "false 9". I guess it's a modern thing comin' from some fans trying to be clever. I haven't seen much of our pre season games, but from the glimpses I've seen Helenius has looked rather good. But he needs to be blooded in carefully in the beginning as playing in the PL is quite different to playing friendly games against lower opposition. But I think and hope he can adapt to the pace and toughness of the game. He looks like he can do the unpredictable and that's always needed. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The whole 'false 9' thing came about from Barcelona playing 6 midfielders and no forwards. The midfielder furthest forward at the point of the attack was playing the number 9 position but was referred to as a false 9 because they were dropping back and playing in the midfield to keep possession. I don't think it had much relevance for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 6, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2013 Yeah. False nine is a term for a LONE striker who drops deep into midfield. The whole point of it is to feed midfielders who make runs beyond the "striker". If Helenius plays behind, and therefore feeds, Benteke, he's not a false 9. He's just a traditional deep lying striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelle Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Ah, thanks for clarifying something I've definitely missed. That makes a bit more sense than just calling a froward who just lies behind another forward that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romavillan Posted August 6, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2013 yeah, false 9 means no recognised striker, no fixed focal point striker coz the man wearing the number 9 is playing as a midfielder just like the other 4/5 midfielders he's playing with. helenius cannot be a false 9 when we have the huge Christian Benteke playing up top as the focal point of the front line, no matter where he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironsid Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The false or deep lying number 9 goes back further than Barcelona. In the Fifties Hungary were playing that system when they murdered England at Wembley. Nandor Hidegcuti was their deep lying number 9 and England didn't have a clue how to deal with it. Manchester City borrowed the idea and used Don Revie in the role to win the F.A.Cup. My favourite quote from the Hungary era was when the teams came out at Wembley and one of the England players said, "Look at that little fat bloke. We'll murder this lot. " The "little fat bloke" was Ferenc Puskas. Result 6-3 to Hungary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted August 6, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 6, 2013 I'm pretty sure that quote is a myth. LEgendary match though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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