Christian Benteke

[neil3241]

 

 

 

 

I think if a deal is struck it will suite both clubs, but perhaps neither set of fans. Those dealing with the transfer are going to be much more reasonable and objective than fans. Spurs fans (and Liverpool, Arsenal etc) think he is worth around £15 million, whilst you guys want £25 million+. The reality will be a deal that is much fairer for all parties involved. So it will probably be £15 - £18 million and then additional payments will be made according the Benteke's success that could total another £10 million+. That way if Benteke really is the player you think he will be, then you get the money (£25 mill +) for him. If he isn't and fails at Spurs (or wherever he goes) then you've still more than doubled your money and we haven't been stung quite so badly. 

 

As I said, it's not the deal either set of fans would like, but it's what will most likely happen. There is no way we are going to stump up £25 million+ for him and there is no way you'll accept £15 million. A compromise is far more likely than no resolution at all, despite what fans might think.

So what price do Spurs fans expect to get for Bale when they sell him next summer?

 

 

Well I reckon as he's scored more Goals than Benteke, well 2 or 3 anyway, And he's had a bit more experience, but against that he hasn't played in a foreign league and he might not settle.(if you think about Modric he was their best player a couple of years ago and he's not a regular), So if they rate Benteke at £15m 

I reckon £18 or £19 should be about right, maybe £20m to get the deal done

 

20m for Bale?

 

I thought you guys were asking for 80m!? 

 

 

I'm a Villa man through and through. I was just thinking about the spurs logic of Benteke being  only worth £15m

 

 

Apparently he could turn shite next year or something.

[VillaChris]

 

 

 

 

 There is no way we are going to stump up £25 million+ for him 

Then he wont be going and the compromise is you keep your pittance of a fee that undervalues our player and we keep our player

 

I'm not saying either set of fans are going to like it. But you don't do the negotiating. In reality a compromise is most likely to be met, that gives adequate protection for both sides of the deal.

 

 

Yes but it won't be near the fee you are mentioning, absolute no chance.

 

The point is no one knows what the final fee will be. The idea of such a structured deal is that it gives a decent degree of value to both sides. If Benteke proves to be the player your fans think he is, then you'll get the sort of fee you want. If he doesn't then you'll get a decent fee for a one season wonder.

 

 

So you'll be reaching these compromises with Real Madrid in a years time for Bale then?

 

It's standard to ask for a big fee when your star player wants to leave, we've done it with Downing and Young, Levy is demanding 60m from Madrid for Bale which he knows they won't pay and Liverpool want 40m for Suarez.

[MagicMushroom]

There's still a question to be answered by Benteke and Kismet. Who tapped them up and gave them the kind of assurances that triggered CB's expensive transfer request? If the finger points at one particular club AVFC need to take action bearing in mind that we are talking about a player with three years left on his contract.

 

 

 

The culprit will be the first club to put in a concrete bid

[coda]

 

 

 

 

Sorry,  forgot to mention the market we are dealing in as well.  A market where Carroll goes for 15M and a lad moves to Palace from Peterborough for 8M !

Not to mention Spurs fans who want to milk Real for every penny on Bale yet think we should compromise on our own prized asset. **** the **** off already. Patronising rocket polishers.

 

It's not patronizing. Villatalk can be so frustrating at times, as you take offence to the slightest of things. I'm not saying I think you should compromise, but that I think a compromise will be found. I think we should look at other targets, that's my opinion. I'm not or haven't patronized Villa in the slightest, yet, as is often the case the posters here go into ultra defensive mode. 

 

 

Weren't you on here listing Spurs rejects we could have in part-exchange? I imagine a Madrid fan offering their cast-offs in exchange for Bale would hardly be lauded on a Spurs forum.

 

Just quote the post you are referring to and point out exactly how it was patronizing. 

 

 

You'll have to find the post yourself. I didn't use the term 'patronising'. You talk about VT being 'frustrating at times'. I think posters have been amazingly patient with Spurs fans in this thread patting us on the head and telling us how this will all pan out.

[pacbuddies]

Where were spurs when we were looking to sell Heskey? Not a peep out of them and now they think they can just come in a pay a pittance for Benteke!

 

Bloody cheek.

 

[joey55]

 

 

 

That's a reasonable response. I think we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime, why do you think Villa will be interested in compromising from a position of strength on their prized asset. For context, think of Spurs selling Bale to Real Madrid. Why should Lerner not spit on his knob and bend Spurs over?

 

Because Villa have said they'd sell the player and have a price in mind. They have access to our accounts and no what sort of fees are viable. The compromise works both ways. I doubt Levy would want to potentially pay over £25 million for the player. But I think it's far more likely a resolution is found than Benteke stays at Villa. This is of course if he is even a real priority for us or if the options are as limited as has been suggested. It's only been a day since we lost out on our number 1 target. 

 

You think we give a shit what is viable for you? We don't want to sell, a fee non-viable for you suits us very nicely.

 

As to you giving offence, I've never taken offence before at any of your posts and have generally found them a good addition to this site. However, that complete bollocks about you effectively coming in and taking a highly prized asset and doing it on your terms was offensive.

 

Your notion that we should give a **** about whether the signing would be any kind of risk for you and one we should "share" or we should have any interest in "protecting" you against a potentially bad investment was astoundingly arrogant and verged on the moronic. I had come to expect better of you and you deserve any hammer you get for that crap.

 

It's not offensive in the least though. Go and read my original post of the subject. I start with the works "if a deal can be struck."

 

I've not suggested we'd take a player on our terms. I used the term compromise. 

 

There is nothing arrogant is suggesting both sides of a deal what want to protect themselves as much as possible. 

[Condimentalist]

 

 

 

 

That's a reasonable response. I think we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime, why do you think Villa will be interested in compromising from a position of strength on their prized asset. For context, think of Spurs selling Bale to Real Madrid. Why should Lerner not spit on his knob and bend Spurs over?

 

Because Villa have said they'd sell the player and have a price in mind. They have access to our accounts and no what sort of fees are viable. The compromise works both ways. I doubt Levy would want to potentially pay over £25 million for the player. But I think it's far more likely a resolution is found than Benteke stays at Villa. This is of course if he is even a real priority for us or if the options are as limited as has been suggested. It's only been a day since we lost out on our number 1 target. 

 

You think we give a shit what is viable for you? We don't want to sell, a fee non-viable for you suits us very nicely.

 

As to you giving offence, I've never taken offence before at any of your posts and have generally found them a good addition to this site. However, that complete bollocks about you effectively coming in and taking a highly prized asset and doing it on your terms was offensive.

 

Your notion that we should give a **** about whether the signing would be any kind of risk for you and one we should "share" or we should have any interest in "protecting" you against a potentially bad investment was astoundingly arrogant and verged on the moronic. I had come to expect better of you and you deserve any hammer you get for that crap.

 

It's not offensive in the least though. Go and read my original post of the subject. I start with the works "if a deal can be struck."

 

I've not suggested we'd take a player on our terms. I used the term compromise. 

 

There is nothing arrogant is suggesting both sides of a deal what want to protect themselves as much as possible. 

 

 

But we don't want to do a deal - we don't NEED to do a deal, so why would we compromise?

[villabromsgrove]

 

There's still a question to be answered by Benteke and Kismet. Who tapped them up and gave them the kind of assurances that triggered CB's expensive transfer request? If the finger points at one particular club AVFC need to take action bearing in mind that we are talking about a player with three years left on his contract.

 

 

 

The culprit will be the first club to put in a concrete bid

 

I wonder whether Kismet running his mouth off about Chelsea having no chance, has made it awkward for the offending club to make an offer.

[MagicMushroom]

 

 

 

 

That's a reasonable response. I think we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime, why do you think Villa will be interested in compromising from a position of strength on their prized asset. For context, think of Spurs selling Bale to Real Madrid. Why should Lerner not spit on his knob and bend Spurs over?

 

Because Villa have said they'd sell the player and have a price in mind. They have access to our accounts and no what sort of fees are viable. The compromise works both ways. I doubt Levy would want to potentially pay over £25 million for the player. But I think it's far more likely a resolution is found than Benteke stays at Villa. This is of course if he is even a real priority for us or if the options are as limited as has been suggested. It's only been a day since we lost out on our number 1 target. 

 

You think we give a shit what is viable for you? We don't want to sell, a fee non-viable for you suits us very nicely.

 

As to you giving offence, I've never taken offence before at any of your posts and have generally found them a good addition to this site. However, that complete bollocks about you effectively coming in and taking a highly prized asset and doing it on your terms was offensive.

 

Your notion that we should give a **** about whether the signing would be any kind of risk for you and one we should "share" or we should have any interest in "protecting" you against a potentially bad investment was astoundingly arrogant and verged on the moronic. I had come to expect better of you and you deserve any hammer you get for that crap.

 

It's not offensive in the least though. Go and read my original post of the subject. I start with the works "if a deal can be struck."

 

I've not suggested we'd take a player on our terms. I used the term compromise. 

 

There is nothing arrogant is suggesting both sides of a deal what want to protect themselves as much as possible. 

 

 

 

 

 

FFS, will you just give it a rest.

 

Your opinion is fine, but would be better off on your own clubs forums where you can all share your deluded viewpoints.

[joey55]

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry,  forgot to mention the market we are dealing in as well.  A market where Carroll goes for 15M and a lad moves to Palace from Peterborough for 8M !

Not to mention Spurs fans who want to milk Real for every penny on Bale yet think we should compromise on our own prized asset. **** the **** off already. Patronising rocket polishers.

 

It's not patronizing. Villatalk can be so frustrating at times, as you take offence to the slightest of things. I'm not saying I think you should compromise, but that I think a compromise will be found. I think we should look at other targets, that's my opinion. I'm not or haven't patronized Villa in the slightest, yet, as is often the case the posters here go into ultra defensive mode. 

 

 

Weren't you on here listing Spurs rejects we could have in part-exchange? I imagine a Madrid fan offering their cast-offs in exchange for Bale would hardly be lauded on a Spurs forum.

 

Just quote the post you are referring to and point out exactly how it was patronizing. 

 

 

You'll have to find the post yourself. I didn't use the term 'patronising'. You talk about VT being 'frustrating at times'. I think posters have been amazingly patient with Spurs fans in this thread patting us on the head and telling us how this will all pan out.

 

What do you mean by patient? The Spurs fans have been polite and offered their points of view. No disrespect has been shown in any way. The only insults have come from Villa fans. This is always the case, but I understand that and if it bothered my that much I wouldn't post. 

[Macca1888]

 

 

 

 

That's a reasonable response. I think we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime, why do you think Villa will be interested in compromising from a position of strength on their prized asset. For context, think of Spurs selling Bale to Real Madrid. Why should Lerner not spit on his knob and bend Spurs over?

 

Because Villa have said they'd sell the player and have a price in mind. They have access to our accounts and no what sort of fees are viable. The compromise works both ways. I doubt Levy would want to potentially pay over £25 million for the player. But I think it's far more likely a resolution is found than Benteke stays at Villa. This is of course if he is even a real priority for us or if the options are as limited as has been suggested. It's only been a day since we lost out on our number 1 target. 

 

You think we give a shit what is viable for you? We don't want to sell, a fee non-viable for you suits us very nicely.

 

As to you giving offence, I've never taken offence before at any of your posts and have generally found them a good addition to this site. However, that complete bollocks about you effectively coming in and taking a highly prized asset and doing it on your terms was offensive.

 

Your notion that we should give a **** about whether the signing would be any kind of risk for you and one we should "share" or we should have any interest in "protecting" you against a potentially bad investment was astoundingly arrogant and verged on the moronic. I had come to expect better of you and you deserve any hammer you get for that crap.

 

It's not offensive in the least though. Go and read my original post of the subject. I start with the works "if a deal can be struck."

 

I've not suggested we'd take a player on our terms. I used the term compromise. 

 

There is nothing arrogant is suggesting both sides of a deal what want to protect themselves as much as possible. 

 

The key word you use is "if".  The only way a deal will be struck is when whatever buying club pays the fee we feel the player is worth.

[MagicMushroom]

 

 

There's still a question to be answered by Benteke and Kismet. Who tapped them up and gave them the kind of assurances that triggered CB's expensive transfer request? If the finger points at one particular club AVFC need to take action bearing in mind that we are talking about a player with three years left on his contract.

 

 

 

The culprit will be the first club to put in a concrete bid

 

I wonder whether Kismet running his mouth off about Chelsea having no chance, has made it awkward for the offending club to make an offer.

 

 

 

 

More than likely.

 

I still think its Chelsea that is in for him. Spurs offer him nothing.

[AVFCforever1991]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry,  forgot to mention the market we are dealing in as well.  A market where Carroll goes for 15M and a lad moves to Palace from Peterborough for 8M !

Not to mention Spurs fans who want to milk Real for every penny on Bale yet think we should compromise on our own prized asset. **** the **** off already. Patronising rocket polishers.

 

It's not patronizing. Villatalk can be so frustrating at times, as you take offence to the slightest of things. I'm not saying I think you should compromise, but that I think a compromise will be found. I think we should look at other targets, that's my opinion. I'm not or haven't patronized Villa in the slightest, yet, as is often the case the posters here go into ultra defensive mode. 

 

 

Weren't you on here listing Spurs rejects we could have in part-exchange? I imagine a Madrid fan offering their cast-offs in exchange for Bale would hardly be lauded on a Spurs forum.

 

Just quote the post you are referring to and point out exactly how it was patronizing. 

 

 

You'll have to find the post yourself. I didn't use the term 'patronising'. You talk about VT being 'frustrating at times'. I think posters have been amazingly patient with Spurs fans in this thread patting us on the head and telling us how this will all pan out.

 

What do you mean by patient? The Spurs fans have been polite and offered their points of view. No disrespect has been shown in any way. The only insults have come from Villa fans. This is always the case, but I understand that and if it bothered my that much I wouldn't post. 

 

 

Always the victim, you're starting to sound like a Liverpool fan...

Edited July 10, 2013 by AVFCforever1991

[TrentVilla]

Sorry, forgot to mention the market we are dealing in as well. A market where Carroll goes for 15M and a lad moves to Palace from Peterborough for 8M !

Not to mention Spurs fans who want to milk Real for every penny on Bale yet think we should compromise on our own prized asset. **** the **** off already. Patronising rocket polishers.

It's not patronizing. Villatalk can be so frustrating at times, as you take offence to the slightest of things. I'm not saying I think you should compromise, but that I think a compromise will be found. I think we should look at other targets, that's my opinion. I'm not or haven't patronized Villa in the slightest, yet, as is often the case the posters here go into ultra defensive mode.

The patronising is probably unintentional. We're being talked down to because Spurs happen to be in a better position at the moment. There seems to be an attitude that we won't get what we want for our player - hence this compromise - when in reality we hold all the cards. There is no reason for us to compromise, in the same way there is no way you will compromise with Real.

But you aren't being patronized or talked down to by me though. I'm not brokering a deal here or trying to get you too do what I want. I'd rather we focused on other options. I think Benteke is a good player, but not a priority for me. We have compromised with Real. We did so with Modric. Most transfers are essentially compromises.

That you are unaware you are doing it doesn't make it less true.

If you find the site so frustrating you are free to post on a Spurs one.

[joey55]

 

 

 

 

 

That's a reasonable response. I think we'll just have to wait and see.

In the meantime, why do you think Villa will be interested in compromising from a position of strength on their prized asset. For context, think of Spurs selling Bale to Real Madrid. Why should Lerner not spit on his knob and bend Spurs over?

 

Because Villa have said they'd sell the player and have a price in mind. They have access to our accounts and no what sort of fees are viable. The compromise works both ways. I doubt Levy would want to potentially pay over £25 million for the player. But I think it's far more likely a resolution is found than Benteke stays at Villa. This is of course if he is even a real priority for us or if the options are as limited as has been suggested. It's only been a day since we lost out on our number 1 target. 

 

You think we give a shit what is viable for you? We don't want to sell, a fee non-viable for you suits us very nicely.

 

As to you giving offence, I've never taken offence before at any of your posts and have generally found them a good addition to this site. However, that complete bollocks about you effectively coming in and taking a highly prized asset and doing it on your terms was offensive.

 

Your notion that we should give a **** about whether the signing would be any kind of risk for you and one we should "share" or we should have any interest in "protecting" you against a potentially bad investment was astoundingly arrogant and verged on the moronic. I had come to expect better of you and you deserve any hammer you get for that crap.

 

It's not offensive in the least though. Go and read my original post of the subject. I start with the works "if a deal can be struck."

 

I've not suggested we'd take a player on our terms. I used the term compromise. 

 

There is nothing arrogant is suggesting both sides of a deal what want to protect themselves as much as possible. 

 

 

But we don't want to do a deal - we don't NEED to do a deal, so why would we compromise?

 

Then a deal wont be struck. It's that simple. But most of the responses from Villa fans have been as if Spurs will dictate a deal to them. If a deal can be struck there will have to be compromise. I've outlined how I think that will most likely play out. There is nothing arrogant or patronizing about it and I make no apology for daring to say it. 

[MagicMushroom]

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, forgot to mention the market we are dealing in as well. A market where Carroll goes for 15M and a lad moves to Palace from Peterborough for 8M !

Not to mention Spurs fans who want to milk Real for every penny on Bale yet think we should compromise on our own prized asset. **** the **** off already. Patronising rocket polishers.

It's not patronizing. Villatalk can be so frustrating at times, as you take offence to the slightest of things. I'm not saying I think you should compromise, but that I think a compromise will be found. I think we should look at other targets, that's my opinion. I'm not or haven't patronized Villa in the slightest, yet, as is often the case the posters here go into ultra defensive mode.

The patronising is probably unintentional. We're being talked down to because Spurs happen to be in a better position at the moment. There seems to be an attitude that we won't get what we want for our player - hence this compromise - when in reality we hold all the cards. There is no reason for us to compromise, in the same way there is no way you will compromise with Real.

But you aren't being patronized or talked down to by me though. I'm not brokering a deal here or trying to get you too do what I want. I'd rather we focused on other options. I think Benteke is a good player, but not a priority for me. We have compromised with Real. We did so with Modric. Most transfers are essentially compromises.

That you are unaware you are doing it doesn't make it less true.

If you find the site so frustrating you are free to post on a Spurs one.

 

 

 

 

 

Just wondering if being a spurs fan is reason enough to get banned, trent?

[joey55]

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, forgot to mention the market we are dealing in as well. A market where Carroll goes for 15M and a lad moves to Palace from Peterborough for 8M !

Not to mention Spurs fans who want to milk Real for every penny on Bale yet think we should compromise on our own prized asset. **** the **** off already. Patronising rocket polishers.

It's not patronizing. Villatalk can be so frustrating at times, as you take offence to the slightest of things. I'm not saying I think you should compromise, but that I think a compromise will be found. I think we should look at other targets, that's my opinion. I'm not or haven't patronized Villa in the slightest, yet, as is often the case the posters here go into ultra defensive mode.

The patronising is probably unintentional. We're being talked down to because Spurs happen to be in a better position at the moment. There seems to be an attitude that we won't get what we want for our player - hence this compromise - when in reality we hold all the cards. There is no reason for us to compromise, in the same way there is no way you will compromise with Real.

But you aren't being patronized or talked down to by me though. I'm not brokering a deal here or trying to get you too do what I want. I'd rather we focused on other options. I think Benteke is a good player, but not a priority for me. We have compromised with Real. We did so with Modric. Most transfers are essentially compromises.

That you are unaware you are doing it doesn't make it less true.

If you find the site so frustrating you are free to post on a Spurs one.

 

Point out the patronizing parts Trent. 

[markavfc40]

Three years ago we got 27 million for Milner ( 20 mill cash + Ireland who was valued at around 7 mill ), 2 years we got 20 mill for Downing who was 27 and had 2 years left on his contract and 17 mill for Ashley Young who had a year remaining on his contract.

 

We have a reputation for getting top dollar for our better players. That won't have changed. Benteke will go for 28mll+ or he won't be going anywhere. If Spurs really do think that 15 mill will secure his services they are *****n deluded.

[villabromsgrove]

Joey, you're really starting to get annoying now. Your comments are designed to wind up VT'ers while painting yourself as a reasonable guy who's becoming a victim. Time to go home now don't you think?

[MagicMushroom]

Doug Ellis has just said that they are looking for 25m.