avfc1982 Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 Faulkner's just doing as he's told. Lerner is at fault for the last 3 years of shit, and no one else. You'd have to have a very vivid imagination to blame Faulkner for all our woes. He's just a yes man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 25, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 25, 2013 (edited) I'd love to see Jaguar Land Rover on the shirt again. Never going to happen Edit: also, what do you mean "again"? Edited March 25, 2013 by Stevo985 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omariqy Posted March 25, 2013 Share Posted March 25, 2013 PF has done well on the commercial side and our revenues have increased year on year. However, we are a football club first and foremost and thats where he isnt the most experienced. I don't neccessarily blame him for that, he does the job he is given. He needs a hand on the footballing side, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 25, 2013 Moderator Share Posted March 25, 2013 smetrov, on 25 Mar 2013 - 08:23, said: Any fool can cut wages. Its really not difficult. The trick is to cut wages, whilst remaining competitive on the field. We have certainly cut the wages......but the on pitch results have gone through the floor.Inevitable, that, IMO. it's not so much a trick as an almost impossibility. More of a decline then rebuild, than remain competitive, if the change in ratio is significant, or the rate of change significant. The starting point of a squad with a high number of other managers players of a high-ish age profile and little sell on value for many, made it extra hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Sorry it's been a bloody shambles. Whilst we've been busy getting the likes of Milner and Young off the books to "save" wages we've had the idiotic deals for Ireland, Given, Hutton, Jenas etc. astonishing . Add in the millions of compensation paid for hiring and firing two of the worst managers ever in the clubs history and you have one huge tragedy. In any other walk of life Faulkner would have had his P45 by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 Faulkner is responsible for driving MON into the arms of Sunderland who we can only wish we were where they are in the table right now I'm hoping that smiley represents a looool, with Sunderland being a massive one point above us while staring at a difficult run. We will be at least two points above Sunderland at the end of that run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 ridiculous. more Faulkner bashing. He gets a lot of stick but i believe his main job was to shed the ridiculous wage bill and shred a lot of deadwood which was crippling the club. If anything he is only cleaning up others mistakes and is doing a pretty good job on that front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 For every £1 he's saved he's probably wasted £1.50 Ridiculous CEO . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 ridiculous. more Faulkner bashing. He gets a lot of stick but i believe his main job was to shed the ridiculous wage bill and shred a lot of deadwood which was crippling the club. If anything he is only cleaning up others mistakes and is doing a pretty good job on that front. A wage bill built up on his watch mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp102 Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 For every £1 he's saved he's probably wasted £1.50 Ridiculous CEO . How do you come to such an absurd statement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zatman Posted March 26, 2013 Share Posted March 26, 2013 ridiculous. more Faulkner bashing. He gets a lot of stick but i believe his main job was to shed the ridiculous wage bill and shred a lot of deadwood which was crippling the club. If anything he is only cleaning up others mistakes and is doing a pretty good job on that front. A wage bill built up on his watch mind. he didnt join until May 2010. the damage was well and truly done. He had no say in crap like Heskey, Beye, Cuellar, Sidwell etc being at Aston Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozvillafan Posted March 26, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted March 26, 2013 he didnt join until May 2010. the damage was well and truly done. He had no say in crap like Heskey, Beye, Cuellar, Sidwell etc being at Aston Villa. No, he's just responsible for Given, Jenas, Ireland, Hutton, Bent, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 26, 2013 Moderator Share Posted March 26, 2013 As far as I can recall the only signing the board has ever been held responsible for is Ireland. Every other player signed under Lerner's ownership was a player wanted by a manager. That is the way it should be too. The Ireland / Milner deal however was idiotic as were the choices of Houllier and McLeish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan_007 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 For every £1 he's saved he's probably wasted £1.50 Ridiculous CEO . How do you come to such an absurd statement? Becasue he is CI - when the absurd is needed he delivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Seems the financial fair play rules have deemed unlikley to survive a legal challenge (wot a surprise) - so Faulkner doesn't have that excuse any more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 27, 2013 Moderator Share Posted March 27, 2013 Seems the financial fair play rules have deemed unlikley to survive a legal challenge (wot a surprise) - so Faulkner doesn't have that excuse any more....Why was that an excuse? It was a valid reason. The FFP rules will still come in in a legally acceptable form.Not only that but the club was always going to have to be self sufficient, that was said at the outset of the Lerner era. They gave it a shot by injecting money at the start but we didn't quite break into the upper echelons so it was back to the drawing board. We're currently on plan B as VP isn't getting any fuller and Lerner's loans from the trust have to be paid back.Essentially they gambled and failed and we're currently paying the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 We're currently on "Plan B"? Crikey, if this is their idea of a "plan", I wouldn't like to be around if it descends into shambles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Seems the financial fair play rules have deemed unlikley to survive a legal challenge (wot a surprise) - so Faulkner doesn't have that excuse any more.... Why was that an excuse? It was a valid reason. The FFP rules will still come in in a legally acceptable form. Not only that but the club was always going to have to be self sufficient, that was said at the outset of the Lerner era. They gave it a shot by injecting money at the start but we didn't quite break into the upper echelons so it was back to the drawing board. We're currently on plan B as VP isn't getting any fuller and Lerner's loans from the trust have to be paid back. Essentially they gambled and failed and we're currently paying the price I agree with your prognosis - but you either bring money or expertise - Lerner\Faulkner currently bring neither. Faulkner on numerous times has stated the need to keep wages down to comply with FPP. FPP - is unenforceable, its a restraint on trade. - it will hang around as guidelines, but IMO no club will ever be sanctioned because they breach FPP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted March 27, 2013 Moderator Share Posted March 27, 2013 They already have been, smetrov. Malaga have been banned from next year’s UEFA competitions, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciggiesnbeer Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 We're currently on "Plan B"? Crikey, if this is their idea of a "plan", I wouldn't like to be around if it descends into shambles... We have moved on since visiting "shambles" and full steam ahead towards "fiasco" if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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