The VT Musicians Thread

[TheAuthority]

1 hour ago, Xann said:

@TheAuthority - You under 33?

Jordi Savall is looking Worldwide for younger musicians to record a Beethoven cycle.

https://www.fundaciocima.org/academia-beethoven-250/

You know Savall? Not wanting to doom it, but if anyone from this generation might leave a legacy cycle? It could be him?

 

 

 

I am too old!! I have never worked with Savall - he's an early music/period music specialist which I am not. You have to do one or the other as a brass player (trombone or sackbutt) to do it at a high level. 

The equipment is so different and the way you produce sound on the instruments is so very different from one another it makes it hard to be an expert in 'modern' playing and early brass playing.

Keep looking out for gigs for me though I need them !!!  

[JoshVilla]

I’ve been busy doing some more recording - thought I’d have a bash at some Level 42 

 

 

(Will get around to doing Peg hopefully next week!)

[TheAuthority]

Yeah @JoshVilla 

You sound awesome man.

Love the bass playing and grooves on Tower of Power and of course wicked horns 

 

[Xann]

5 hours ago, TheAuthority said:

I am too old!! I have never worked with Savall - he's an early music/period music specialist which I am not. You have to do one or the other as a brass player (trombone or sackbutt) to do it at a high level. 

The equipment is so different and the way you produce sound on the instruments is so very different from one another it makes it hard to be an expert in 'modern' playing and early brass playing.

Keep looking out for gigs for me though I need them !!!  

Savall is wonderful. Great musician and director. His label Alia Vox has high production standards.

How brilliant is this? 

I'm wondering if he may tone down the Baroque ornamentation for Beethoven?

I have no idea how an early 19th Century and 20th Century trombone differ? Modern seals would be better you'd suspect?

Baroque trumpet is another level of crazy technique.

 

 

[leemond2008]

One of the Team Leaders where I work is an absolute monumental bellend, he's a short little bloke with one eye that never closes, I was forced into a conversation about musical instruments with him.

He thinks he can play the guitar, he has apparently taught himself to play every single Simon & Garfunkle song by ear, he doesn't know any chords, he worked everything out on his own without referring to the internet, tablature, or sheet music...now that is a pretty mean feat if you ask me, he also refers to the fret board as a guitar board, he doesn't know what string is what on a guitar (**** knows how he tunes it, his guitar must be so out of tune that he must have to force his hands into some other worldly position just to pull a G chord)

He can play the piano as well, he doesn't read sheet music he just puts his hands down and tries different combinations until he finds something that he likes and then he 'throws in a few notes with his left hand'

He clearly doesn't have a **** clue what he is on about, he was telling me about his studio that he has built in his house, **** idiot.

Now I will speak about music with anyone, I'm not the best guitarist in the world but I've been playing since I was 13 or 14 so I'm not bad, I play the banjo, ukulele, piano and **** harmonica I'm not an idiot, I can smell a charlatan  a mile off.

 

Anyways, after speaking to the mental midget with the gammy eye, I kind of got a hankering to pick my electric guitar up (I haven't touched it in 2 or 3 years) the strings were actually rusty, anyways I started playing the solo stairway to heaven and on the first bend the E string snapped and somehow managed to impale itself into my finger...well I restrung her tonight, I can't believe how rusty I am, I can't actually play the stairway solo, bad times man, I'm gunna have to put some serious hours in to try and get myself back up to scratch, I thought I'd just be able to pick her up and play like a bad mofo again...obviously not

[Rugeley Villa]

10 minutes ago, leemond2008 said:

One of the Team Leaders where I work is an absolute monumental bellend, he's a short little bloke with one eye that never closes, I was forced into a conversation about musical instruments with him.

He thinks he can play the guitar, he has apparently taught himself to play every single Simon & Garfunkle song by ear, he doesn't know any chords, he worked everything out on his own without referring to the internet, tablature, or sheet music...now that is a pretty mean feat if you ask me, he also refers to the fret board as a guitar board, he doesn't know what string is what on a guitar (**** knows how he tunes it, his guitar must be so out of tune that he must have to force his hands into some other worldly position just to pull a G chord)

He can play the piano as well, he doesn't read sheet music he just puts his hands down and tries different combinations until he finds something that he likes and then he 'throws in a few notes with his left hand'

He clearly doesn't have a **** clue what he is on about, he was telling me about his studio that he has built in his house, **** idiot.

Now I will speak about music with anyone, I'm not the best guitarist in the world but I've been playing since I was 13 or 14 so I'm not bad, I play the banjo, ukulele, piano and **** harmonica I'm not an idiot, I can smell a charlatan  a mile off.

 

Anyways, after speaking to the mental midget with the gammy eye, I kind of got a hankering to pick my electric guitar up (I haven't touched it in 2 or 3 years) the strings were actually rusty, anyways I started playing the solo stairway to heaven and on the first bend the E string snapped and somehow managed to impale itself into my finger...well I restrung her tonight, I can't believe how rusty I am, I can't actually play the stairway solo, bad times man, I'm gunna have to put some serious hours in to try and get myself back up to scratch, I thought I'd just be able to pick her up and play like a bad mofo again...obviously not

Not as rusty as this guy. Saying that page is known to be very sloppy at times, that's his style. I quite like sloppy though. 

 

[leemond2008]

I haven' watched the vid you posted but I remember watching something with Joe Bonammasa and he perfectly took off Hedrix, Clapton and Beck, they asked him to do Page and he gave a halfhearted attempt and said no one can do what page does because he mistakes genuine scratchy mistakes but it is them mistakes that make it work....or something along them lines.

He basically said you can't replicate Page, didn' say he was the best just that you can't copy him

[Rugeley Villa]

8 minutes ago, leemond2008 said:

I haven' watched the vid you posted but I remember watching something with Joe Bonammasa and he perfectly took off Hedrix, Clapton and Beck, they asked him to do Page and he gave a halfhearted attempt and said no one can do what page does because he mistakes genuine scratchy mistakes but it is them mistakes that make it work....or something along them lines.

He basically said you can't replicate Page, didn' say he was the best just that you can't copy him

Totally agree. Nowhere near as proficient as some, but has a lot of feel, and plays in the moment. I love hearing, and watching him play. No in between with page.

[mjmooney]

1 hour ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Not as rusty as this guy. Saying that page is known to be very sloppy at times, that's his style. I quite like sloppy though. 

 

Well the recording quality does it no justice, but I can only assume he was off his face on something or other, because that was embarrassing. 

And I like sloppy, too. 

[MrDuck]

7 hours ago, leemond2008 said:

He thinks he can play the guitar, he has apparently taught himself to play every single Simon & Garfunkle song by ear, he doesn't know any chords

 

Anyways, after speaking to the mental midget with the gammy eye, I kind of got a hankering to pick my electric guitar up (I haven't touched it in 2 or 3 years) the strings were actually rusty, anyways I started playing the solo stairway to heaven and on the first bend the E string snapped and somehow managed to impale itself into my finger...well I restrung her tonight, I can't believe how rusty I am, I can't actually play the stairway solo, bad times man, I'm gunna have to put some serious hours in to try and get myself back up to scratch, I thought I'd just be able to pick her up and play like a bad mofo again...obviously not

Not quite sure how you learn to play any Simon & Garfunkel songs without knowing any chords!

It's amazing how quickly you get rusty if you're not playing regularly... also frustrating how quickly callouses that you've built up on your fingers over many years can disappear.

[Rugeley Villa]

7 hours ago, mjmooney said:

Well the recording quality does it no justice, but I can only assume he was off his face on something or other, because that was embarrassing. 

And I like sloppy, too. 

Page was known to be wasted during performances. I think this was one of the first times he'd played after the death of Bonham, but he could be very bad at times. 

[mjmooney]

4 hours ago, Rugeley Villa said:

Page was known to be wasted during performances. I think this was one of the first times he'd played after the death of Bonham, but he could be very bad at times. 

But it's amazing just HOW bad that was. It sounded (and looked) like some teenager who'd been playing for a few months, practicing in his bedroom, blissfully unaware that his guitar was out of tune, and with only the most approximate idea of how to play the piece. And yet this was one of the world's top guitarists, performing for a huge crowd. Astonishing. 

Edited May 18, 2018 by mjmooney

[Xann]

I have an alternative take of 'Stairway...' that has a brainmelt guitar part worthy of a bad acid Krautrock number.

JP would noodle for an age in the studio on LZ sessions, then he'd listen back and choose the bits he liked best.

I get this from him. He'd already gained his spurs as a session musician, where he would be in and out of recording sessions after being told what to do.

Given expensive studio time to do his own thing, he indulged, and why not?

[Rugeley Villa]

44 minutes ago, Xann said:

I have an alternative take of 'Stairway...' that has a brainmelt guitar part worthy of a bad acid Krautrock number.

JP would noodle for an age in the studio on LZ sessions, then he'd listen back and choose the bits he liked best.

I get this from him. He'd already gained his spurs as a session musician, where he would be in and out of recording sessions after being told what to do.

Given expensive studio time to do his own thing, he indulged, and why not?

That's what I like about page. He made it up as he went along during live shows. He was a master in the studio too. Fantastic producer. 

[Rugeley Villa]

1 hour ago, mjmooney said:

But it's amazing just HOW bad that was. It sounded (and looked) like some teenager who'd been playing for a few months, practicing in his bedroom, blissfully unaware that his guitar was out of tune, and with only the most approximate idea of how to play the piece. And yet this was one of the world's top guitarists, performing for a huge crowd. Astonishing. 

There are a few others on YouTube that are pretty bad. Most are from the late 70s-80s where he was out of shape/practice, and suffering from drug and alcohol problems. It's all part of his charm though I suppose.

Edited May 18, 2018 by Rugeley Villa

[mjmooney]

50 minutes ago, Xann said:

I have an alternative take of 'Stairway...' that has a brainmelt guitar part worthy of a bad acid Krautrock number.

JP would noodle for an age in the studio on LZ sessions, then he'd listen back and choose the bits he liked best.

I get this from him. He'd already gained his spurs as a session musician, where he would be in and out of recording sessions after being told what to do.

Given expensive studio time to do his own thing, he indulged, and why not?

Yep. And I like his studio stuff with LZ far more than the live versions. I've heard people say that "Heartbreaker" from LZII is a great track spoiled by the mad guitar solo. I disagree. I love Page's solo here. 

 

[mjmooney]

Or this belter on a Joe Cocker session.

 

[sharkyvilla]

7 hours ago, MrDuck said:

Not quite sure how you learn to play any Simon & Garfunkel songs without knowing any chords!

It's amazing how quickly you get rusty if you're not playing regularly... also frustrating how quickly callouses that you've built up on your fingers over many years can disappear.

I've got a very bad habit of biting my calluses off and then being very pissed off next time I play and it hurts after a while.  

[Rugeley Villa]

16 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

Yep. And I like his studio stuff with LZ far more than the live versions. I've heard people say that "Heartbreaker" from LZII is a great track spoiled by the mad guitar solo. I disagree. I love Page's solo here. 

 

I dont like that guitar solo you're on about. It seems rushed, and just seems very amateurish. It's much better live. 

[Xann]

16 hours ago, leemond2008 said:

He can play the piano as well, he doesn't read sheet music he just puts his hands down and tries different combinations until he finds something that he likes and then he 'throws in a few notes with his left hand'

This is called Outsider Music - To quote Wiki:

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Outsider music is music created by self-taught or naïve musicians. They usually exist outside of the music establishment and oftentimes suffer from mental illnesses or intellectual disabilities.

Useless was much more fond than I.

Much of the genre is pretty random and quite a challenging listen (the most out there album I own is a disc of Swedish outsiders), but occasionally it'll throw out a star of unique brilliance.