dukes Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 With Hutton and Warnock I can only guess that their salary includes appearances bonuses the club don't want to pay only reason to have them essentially training with kids whilst paying them first team salaries I think this must be the case, certainly with Warnock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 And what if let's say his transfer doesn't work out ? what if he turns out like Ireland ? Or we get relegated ? We're then stuck potentially in the Championship with his additional wages. Exactly unfortuantly the most recent players we have stuck on high wages have not performed and getting rid of them has been near impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Nabby, I've been thinking the same way! Why would you have all these high earners on the books and not use them when results are so poor? The only conclusion is that they are paid large appearance money and that's how Lambert is doing his part to keep the wage bill down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Exactly unfortuantly the most recent players we have stuck on high wages have not performed and getting rid of them has been near impossible. Yes, but Sissoko is better than Habib Beye or Heskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMFy Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 With Hutton and Warnock I can only guess that their salary includes appearances bonuses the club don't want to pay only reason to have them essentially training with kids whilst paying them first team salaries And there was me thinking we were not playing them because they were both shit and a pair of disruptive arseholes... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I didn't say he didnt want them. He would have prefered to sign better players but with the money he had available he thought the players he bought represented value for money I don't know what the middle bit of your comment means He hasn't resigned because he knew the situation when he came - that he had to get rid of Warnock, Hutton, Bent, Ireland etc BEFORE he could sign new players He expected us to do better but has been shocked at how poor the playing staff here turned out to be - much worse than he thought on initial view. Call that his mistake if you like Have to step in here. You say that Lambert knew he had to get rid of the players you mention. How do you know this? I ask because hasn't Lambert already stated that he doesn't want to sell Bent? I have noted a lot of statements being put forward as fact but without any foundation. The bottom line is that he has spent 20m on players who have had no impact on our Premiership status. Has he improved the quality of the squad even? Player for player has there been an improvement in squad quality? He has actually made us worse in first team and squad content. The performances point to it and the statistics of our season point to it. You said in previous posts that we would steadily improve when the team had time to gel. Not much evidence of that is there. It's also not just the poor results Lambert is getting but it is the manner of our defeats which are worrying people. There is no structure to our play and there is a total lack of any organisation in our defence. I totally agree with BJ10 when he states that Lambert isn't getting the best out of what's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpTheVilla26 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Yes, Sissoko would cost that much over 4 years but who ever see's out a contract now days?? I won't proclaim to know what wages players are on at this club but I'd rather we paid a guy £75,000 per week who actually will add something to the team than 4 or 5 players who are absolute shit - like Bennett, El Ahmadi, Bannan etc... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Yes, Sissoko would cost that much over 4 years but who ever see's out a contract now days?? I won't proclaim to know what wages players are on at this club but I'd rather we paid a guy £75,000 per week who actually will add something to the team than 4 or 5 players who are absolute shit - like Bennett, El Ahmadi, Bannan etc... Ok, and how much do you think we'd get for Ireland now ? assuming someone wanted him, do you think it would be a team that could pay his £60k a week ? We're stuck with Ireland until his contract ends in 2014, and we haven't really had 5 good games from him. Sissoko could just as easily go the same way. Edited January 13, 2013 by dukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukes Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Yes, but Sissoko is better than Habib Beye or Heskey. Really, so there is no risk in signing a 22yo rom france who is apparently demanding wages of £75K per week despite him having only played in the much weaker French league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Have to step in here. You say that Lambert knew he had to get rid of the players you mention. How do you know this? I ask because hasn't Lambert already stated that he doesn't want to sell Bent? I have noted a lot of statements being put forward as fact but without any foundation. The bottom line is that he has spent 20m on players who have had no impact on our Premiership status. Has he improved the quality of the squad even? Player for player has there been an improvement in squad quality? He has actually made us worse in first team and squad content. The performances point to it and the statistics of our season point to it. You said in previous posts that we would steadily improve when the team had time to gel. Not much evidence of that is there. It's also not just the poor results Lambert is getting but it is the manner of our defeats which are worrying people. There is no structure to our play and there is a total lack of any organisation in our defence. I totally agree with BJ10 when he states that Lambert isn't getting the best out of what's available. I can't be arsed arguing anymore tonight You've got your view, I've got mine - I did think that we would gradually improve but the fact that we haven't tells me it's a tougher job than anyone thought. Lambert won't be sacked although he might walk if things don't get better. We can then see if the next manager is more to your liking (after he's had 4 or 5 games to bed in obviously) or the one after that or the one after that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Like Dmitar Berbertov? He'd be one who you'd classify as being up "for the fight" is he First it was the wages and now its his mentality you are questioning. If Lambert had signed Adam, Diame and Berbatov he wouldn't have needed to be up 'for the fight' as we would probably have been in a better position than we are now. Even taking Berbatov out of the equation due to wages our obvious weakness in midfield would have been addressed. Adam/Diame central midfield partnership with Ireland in the hole with Bent upfront and a decent winger purchased instead of Benteke and you think we'd still be in the bottom three? Nope, neither do I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I can't be arsed arguing anymore tonight You've got your view, I've got mine - I did think that we would gradually improve but the fact that we haven't tells me it's a tougher job than anyone thought. Lambert won't be sacked although he might walk if things don't get better. We can then see if the next manager is more to your liking (after he's had 4 or 5 games to bed in obviously) or the one after that or the one after that And yet who has been right about Lambert VillaCass. I stated right from the start of his tenure that my worry was he would build us into another Norwich, a team with endeavor but lacking in quality. What we have is a team full of neither and actually worse than Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabby Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Pat Murphy @patmurphybbc PL's job not in danger @AVFCOfficial.RL totally supportive,understand last thing he wants is more turbulence.Makes no sense to drop boss now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markavfc40 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) Pat Murphy @patmurphybbc PL's job not in danger @AVFCOfficial.RL totally supportive,understand last thing he wants is more turbulence.Makes no sense to drop boss now No surprise. I don't think anyone expects him to get the sack. I think he will stay unless we are either relegated or we get to a stage this season when it becomes certain we will go down. I am sure we all hope it doesn't get to either of those points. If he is given the backing to bring in the 2 or 3 quality signings we desperately need then I don't think it will. Edited January 13, 2013 by markavfc40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacbuddies Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I totally agree with BJ10 when he states that Lambert isn't getting the best out of what's available. An even more frightening thought is that maybe Lambert is actually getting the best out of what is available and if that's the case then we are in really deep shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted January 13, 2013 Moderator Share Posted January 13, 2013 First it was the wages and now its his mentality you are questioning. If Lambert had signed Adam, Diame and Berbatov he wouldn't have needed to be up 'for the fight' as we would probably have been in a better position than we are now. Even taking Berbatov out of the equation due to wages our obvious weakness in midfield would have been addressed. Adam/Diame central midfield partnership with Ireland in the hole with Bent upfront and a decent winger purchased instead of Benteke and you think we'd still be in the bottom three? Nope, neither do I. Oh not this shit again. Wages!!!!! Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amo69 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 And there was me thinking we were not playing them because they were both shit and a pair of disruptive arseholes... Yep because we look solid defending the flanks at the moment and the harmony in the camp has never been better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villastine Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Does anyone know if we can recall Jean Makoun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 An even more frightening thought is that maybe Lambert is actually getting the best out of what is available and if that's the case then we are in really deep shit. I think that is the reality. Still think he's guilty of not setting the team up right a lot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PieFacE Posted January 13, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted January 13, 2013 Does anyone know if we can recall Jean Makoun? Lambert said it's not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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