Willy_Evergo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I really don't understand this viewpoint. How is it? If they contribute to us performing well, then it's good business for both parties. If we are looking like ending up in a relegation dogfight, we should take any player that can help out but once we are clear of the danger, I see no advantage to grooming other teams youngsters in preference to our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I get that, but what if the player we get in on loan is better than what we already have? I don't see the logic in being against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy_Evergo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I get that, but what if the player we get in on loan is better than what we already have? I don't see the logic in being against it. There certainly is two ways of looking at this. My own view is that if we get a loan player that can make a difference between finishing 18th and 16th or 5th and 15th then it is definitely worthwhile. If the difference is between 14th and 12th then meh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 What would the difference be in money between 14th and 12th? That would be something both the manager and chairman would be looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 What would the difference be in money between 14th and 12th? That would be something both the manager and chairman would be looking at. The numbers in this table highlighted represent the difference in payment based upon league finish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Seems like each place higher up is worth about 700-800k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Would a loan signing then be worth the difference taking into consideration the fee and wages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockStockVilla Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Deciding whether a loan would be worth it would be so arbitrary because who knows how much of a difference the player will make in terms of finishing position and what different fee/wages will end up being. For example, on the surface, someone might have said last season the 1million or so paid for Keane was alot, but then taking into account he played a big part in keeping Villa up, it was definitely worth it. So at the end of ythe day, if a loan signing can contribute to some extent to the team, I'd say it is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayls Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 How is that much different to signing a player permanently and him leaving after impressing? We get a player who adds depth to our thin squad for a season without a transfer fee. What possible harm did it do to us by signing Kyle Walker? Spurs were (and still are) miles ahead of us in the league for it to have any effect on us. We got a great player who we wouldn't have been able to attract permanently, so we got him for a season instead. He helped us stay up and scored a couple of fantastic goals. I see that as nothing other than a big plus. Who gives a crap what effect it had on Spurs? All i'm concerned about is Villa. I give a crap what effect it had on spurs because a little over a season before that we were finishing higher than them and actually giving them a proper game instead of them battering us. We helped them improve by playing their player in a way that showed that actually, he is pretty damn good. We then had to let him go. Tell me, who did we then bring in to replace him? There is no point. Bring players in from abroad, relatively cheap or on loan, if they don't work out get rid. But let's not help to improve our rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I give a crap what effect it had on spurs because a little over a season before that we were finishing higher than them and actually giving them a proper game instead of them battering us. We helped them improve by playing their player in a way that showed that actually, he is pretty damn good. We then had to let him go. Tell me, who did we then bring in to replace him? Alan Hutton. Oh. You weren't really asking, were you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdomlahor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I give a crap what effect it had on spurs because a little over a season before that we were finishing higher than them and actually giving them a proper game instead of them battering us. We helped them improve by playing their player in a way that showed that actually, he is pretty damn good. We then had to let him go. Tell me, who did we then bring in to replace him? There is no point. Bring players in from abroad, relatively cheap or on loan, if they don't work out get rid. But let's not help to improve our rivals. They knew he was a good player anyway. That's why they wouldn't sell him to us permanently, and why they spunked £7m on him or whatever it was. It just seems to me like some people have an inferiority complex when it comes to borrowing other team's players and get bitter about it when they have to go back. We've had a quality player we wouldn't have had access to otherwise for a while and he helped us. Walker was always going to be a top quality player, regardless of weather or not we had him on loan. He would probably have stayed at QPR for the rest of the reason (where he was in fine form) and gone back to Spurs to challenge for the RB spot (much like Caulker did when he came back from Swansea). I guess we'll never agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avflife Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Just been watching the Palace game and think we should look at going in for Bolasie of Palace, has looked quality and the skill and trickery for Zaha's goal was unbelievable. Would say Zaha as well, but haven't got a chance of getting him currently, probably end up going Arsenal or Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted December 22, 2012 Moderator Share Posted December 22, 2012 Just been watching the Palace game and think we should look at going in for Bolasie of Palace, A very very under rated player in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Finnbogasson with an assist and another goal today. He's now scored 14 in 16 in the league. Unlikely that he leaves in January but worth keeping an eye on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Its gotta be Jonjo Shelvey - did you see him today - ran the show from start to finish - an absolute beast of player - fully deserving of his england caps so far ..and surley a contender for player of the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudevillaisnice Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Trolling surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 A very very under rated player in my view. Yeah it seems Zaha has taken some of his thunder and he's just as good in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milfner Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Bolasie's assist to Zaha earlier was class earlier as was Zaha's finish. Take yer pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avflife Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Both in a midfield of Zaha, Westwood and Bolasie come 1st Feb Can always dream ah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattyp_avfc Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Stuff Zaha and his massive ego.... Bolasie please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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