General Conspiracy Theory Dump Store

[Follyfoot]

1 hour ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

Here's a quick summary according to me. 

Moon Landings - Real. Ample strong evidence.  Not challenged by the USSR at the time or Russia since.  Far too many people involved over such a long period to maintain a conspiracy. 

Flat Earth - False. Nonsense.  Idiocy.  

JFK -  Killed by Oswald. He was the only active shooter.  He was clearly involved with USSR/USA government agencies. These agencies did not assist him to kill JFK. The evidence was tampered with by law enforcement who were desperate for a conviction and others trying to hide Oswald's connections.  Ruby killed him to shut him up under coercion from others.  

Princess Di -  Died in a car accident where the press pack contributed by chasing the vehicle. Had she worn a seat belt she would have walked away.  The driver was an informant to French security services. At least 1 of the chasing press mob was actually undercover law enforcement. 

There is a group of rich pedophiles who are protected by the establishment  -  True.  Its hard to deny when there are so many proven examples.  But its not a massive club with a membership list and an annual conference in a hollow volcano.  It's several groups of rich and powerful people working together to protect themselves. 

COVID - An accidental release from a Chinese experiment.  Many profited from the vaccines but they worked. The long term effects are not known.  The lockdown saved lives in the short term but may have cost lives in the long term. 

Boris Johnson.  - A very clever man pretending to be stupid.  He wanted his performance during COVID to become the modern equivalent of Churchill in WW2.  He thinks he can lie his way out of any problem.  He eventually got found out.  Dangerous. 

David Icke - Makes a nice living from peddling unprovable theories.  A small amount of his guesses have proven correct.  But he conveniently ignores his guesses that proved to be absolute twaddle.  A clever man taking money from the gullible. 

Donald Trump -  Says things that make his followers feel good.  Portrays his followers as being "true patriots" and anyone opposing him as a fraud.  A stupid mad pretending to be clever.  Dangerous. 

You forgot Villa drinking in town

[Mandy Lifeboats]

14 minutes ago, luckyeddie said:

That is my take on all of this except the highlighted. I would call him educated, privileged, connected and arrogant. He plays down his intelligence, but his actions have been pure stupidity, as a man with his advantages should succeed. I know there are many types of clever, but he doesn't fall into any of them for me, just an attention seeking grifter.

I see your point. But there are different kinds of clever.  Bozo could manipulate people and events to an amazing extent.  That's very clever. 

There are still people who think he was a wonderful PM.  There are still people who employ him for big money.  

Boris was sacked from his first job for lying. He was sacked by a national newspaper for lying. He was sacked by the Tory leader Michael Howard for lying.  He lied to numerous girlfriends and partners.  This was all BEFORE he became PM.  

But he had scruffy hair, an ill fitting suit and liked a pint.  So let's all vote for him. What could possibly go wrong. 

Bozo's rise to power via the Brexit fiasco is a perfect example of a real conspiracy that the masses swallowed hook,  line and sinker. 

[Mandy Lifeboats]

1 hour ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

Here's a quick summary according to me. 

Moon Landings - Real. Ample strong evidence.  Not challenged by the USSR at the time or Russia since.  Far too many people involved over such a long period to maintain a conspiracy. 

Flat Earth - False. Nonsense.  Idiocy.  

JFK -  Killed by Oswald. He was the only active shooter.  He was clearly involved with USSR/USA government agencies. These agencies did not assist him to kill JFK. The evidence was tampered with by law enforcement who were desperate for a conviction and others trying to hide Oswald's connections.  Ruby killed him to shut him up under coercion from others.  

Princess Di -  Died in a car accident where the press pack contributed by chasing the vehicle. Had she worn a seat belt she would have walked away.  The driver was an informant to French security services. At least 1 of the chasing press mob was actually undercover law enforcement. 

There is a group of rich pedophiles who are protected by the establishment  -  True.  Its hard to deny when there are so many proven examples.  But its not a massive club with a membership list and an annual conference in a hollow volcano.  It's several groups of rich and powerful people working together to protect themselves. 

COVID - An accidental release from a Chinese experiment.  Many profited from the vaccines but they worked. The long term effects are not known.  The lockdown saved lives in the short term but may have cost lives in the long term. 

Boris Johnson.  - A very clever man pretending to be stupid.  He wanted his performance during COVID to become the modern equivalent of Churchill in WW2.  He thinks he can lie his way out of any problem.  He eventually got found out.  Dangerous. 

David Icke - Makes a nice living from peddling unprovable theories.  A small amount of his guesses have proven correct.  But he conveniently ignores his guesses that proved to be absolute twaddle.  A clever man taking money from the gullible. 

Donald Trump -  Says things that make his followers feel good.  Portrays his followers as being "true patriots" and anyone opposing him as a fraud.  A stupid mad pretending to be clever.  Dangerous. 

Part 2.  Conspiracy theories that have merit. 

The government listens to your phone calls and has planted bugs in your house -  100% true for a tiny number of people.  Various agencies do this regularly and there is a set process for obtaining authority to do it.  ( RIPA - Regulation Investigatory Powers Act).  I have been involved in this process in a professional capacity on numerous occasions. 

Fortune telling -  An active conspiracy to defraud. 

Speaking to the dead-  An active,  evil conspiracy. 

Saddlam Hussain had weapons of mass destruction- a complete lie and conspiracy made up by powerful people to justify an invasion and secure oil supplies. 

911 -  A terrorist attack.  Slightly corrupted because of the need to protect certain information.  I believe the plane that struck the Pentagon was shot down on approach by an air defence system but still hit the target and/or the air defence system caused some damage.  Evidence was withheld to protect the nature and location of that system.  

 

 

[chrisp65]

1 minute ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

 

Fortune telling -  An active conspiracy to defraud. 

When I lived on Barry Island, Margaret used to do the fortune telling in the fair ground. But obviously, she couldn’t do every day she’d need a break or family stuff would come up or whatever. So the other mum’s of my little gang of kids would take it in turns to fill in for her.

It wasn’t a conspiracy to defraud, it was people having a genuine crack at it to cover for Mags and unless you can prove they were getting stuff wrong that’s a hell of an accusation.

 

[luckyeddie]

16 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

I see your point. But there are different kinds of clever.  Bozo could manipulate people and events to an amazing extent.  That's very clever. 

There are still people who think he was a wonderful PM.  There are still people who employ him for big money.  

Boris was sacked from his first job for lying. He was sacked by a national newspaper for lying. He was sacked by the Tory leader Michael Howard for lying.  He lied to numerous girlfriends and partners.  This was all BEFORE he became PM.  

But he had scruffy hair, an ill fitting suit and liked a pint.  So let's all vote for him. What could possibly go wrong. 

Bozo's rise to power via the Brexit fiasco is a perfect example of a real conspiracy that the masses swallowed hook,  line and sinker. 

I see your point, he needs a certain amount of intelligence to achieve this, although I would say his privilege is just as important. Boris is no doubt a remarkable story, and should be used as a warning to future generations. My take is that he is devious more than clever and takes advantage of people's fear, gullible nature or stupidity . He is a narcissist surrounded by an army of enablers, and some people will believe what they want and ignore facts (see this thread for this week ). Top and bottom of it, he's an arse.

[bannedfromHandV]

The entire universe is just a simulation being run on a machine built by some kid studying for their GCSE in IT in the real world.

[Mandy Lifeboats]

3 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

When I lived on Barry Island, Margaret used to do the fortune telling in the fair ground. But obviously, she couldn’t do every day she’d need a break or family stuff would come up or whatever. So the other mum’s of my little gang of kids would take it in turns to fill in for her.

It wasn’t a conspiracy to defraud, it was people having a genuine crack at it to cover for Mags and unless you can prove they were getting stuff wrong that’s a hell of an accusation.

 

All of us can predict the future to some extent.  I also think fortune telling you describe above can be a valuable talking therapy. 

But I would offer the following as evidence- 

Anyone who could truly predict significant and specific future events on a regular basis would be a billionaire and have no need to tell fortunes.  

I will apologise and completely revise my opinion if you (or anyone else) can come up with 5 significant and verifiable predictions for next week.   

 

[Mandy Lifeboats]

26 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

When I lived on Barry Island, Margaret used to do the fortune telling in the fair ground. But obviously, she couldn’t do every day she’d need a break or family stuff would come up or whatever. So the other mum’s of my little gang of kids would take it in turns to fill in for her.

It wasn’t a conspiracy to defraud, it was people having a genuine crack at it to cover for Mags and unless you can prove they were getting stuff wrong that’s a hell of an accusation.

 

Just to clarify.  

In my opinion the whole industry of fortune telling is a conspiracy to defraud.  That does not mean that all individuals in that industry are conspiring to defraud. Some people genuinely think they can see the future.  Whether they can or not is irrelevant.  Conspiracy to defraud is those who don't think they have ability but still take money from people. 

I don't believe in ghosts.  But I accept that people see things that they believe are ghosts.  There is a huge difference between telling people what you believe you saw and making up a ghost story to sell to a newspaper for profit. 

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[mjmooney]

36 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

The government listens to your phone calls and has planted bugs in your house -  100% true for a tiny number of people.  Various agencies do this regularly and there is a set process for obtaining authority to do it.  ( RIPA - Regulation Investigatory Powers Act).  I have been involved in this process in a professional capacity on numerous occasions. 

I'm 100% sure I had my phone tapped in 1982-83. Very long story that I won't go into here (maybe another time), but a good friend of mine was involved with a Bulgarian woman who had some significant contacts. Two supposed BT engineers came round to 'repair' our land line (there had been nothing wrong with it), and we started getting the classic effects - a click and a slight drop in volume at the start of a call, a repeated 'wrong number' call from an English-speaking bloke in Hungary, who always wanted to have a social chat, etc. I did consider dismantling the phone to investigate, but decided that would might make me look more suspicious, so ignored it. Interesting times. 

[Follyfoot]

13 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

Just to clarify.  

In my opinion the whole industry of fortune telling is a conspiracy to defraud.  That does not mean that all individuals in that industry are conspiring to defraud. Some people genuinely think they can see the future.  Whether they can or not is irrelevant.  Conspiracy to defraud is those who don't think they have ability but still take money from people. 

I don't believe in ghosts.  But I accept that people see things that they believe are ghosts.  There is a huge difference between telling people what you believe you saw and making up a ghost story to sell to a newspaper for profit. 

I am not so sure, one I had mine done in 1993 and was frighteningly accurate with regard to future events. Wast totally random on a flight back from Ibiza and a chance encounter 

[Mandy Lifeboats]

16 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

I'm 100% sure I had my phone tapped in 1982-83. Very long story that I won't go into here (maybe another time), but a good friend of mine was involved with a Bulgarian woman who had some significant contacts. Two supposed BT engineers came round to 'repair' our land line (there had been nothing wrong with it), and we started getting the classic effects - a click and a slight drop in volume at the start of a call, a repeated 'wrong number' call from an English-speaking bloke in Hungary, who always wanted to have a social chat, etc. I did consider dismantling the phone to investigate, but decided that would might make me look more suspicious, so ignored it. Interesting times. 

Short answer -  

If your phone was tapped, it was not by the Police or a UK government agency.  There was never a need to visit a home to install a tap. 

Private detectives or foreign agencies could not use the easiest method and often used devices planted in or near phones. 

 

Landlines have a stable electric current which the device could use.  It was often used to record conversations in the home and phone calls.  If this was the case, the wrong number calls were designed to get you talking about the possibility of a tap AFTER the receiver was replaced.  They would be hoping to hear things like "Should I tell x that they are on to him?"  or ""Tell x to say he's a mate from football when he next calls". 

 

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[Designer1]

Fortune tellers and Mediums will be first against the wall in D1 world.

Horrible, cancerous chancers the lot of em.

[chrisp65]

44 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

All of us can predict the future to some extent.  I also think fortune telling you describe above can be a valuable talking therapy. 

But I would offer the following as evidence- 

Anyone who could truly predict significant and specific future events on a regular basis would be a billionaire and have no need to tell fortunes.  

I will apologise and completely revise my opinion if you (or anyone else) can come up with 5 significant and verifiable predictions for next week.   

 

Just to clarify my position there, even as a kid, the only way I could square it in my head was that women (and it was invariably women that paid the money for a reading) enjoyed it as a form of entertainment and if they heard something that had a vague truth to it or sounded nice n promising then they were happy to ‘believe’. If they heard something they didn’t fancy they could dismiss it as rubbish.

I was amazed that people would pay money to sit in a tent in a fair ground, with some lace and some spooky string and a red lightbulb, and be told there were changes ahead and they needed to grasp them and love was around the corner.

That the school mums took it in turns to be world renown as seen on tv famous predictor of futures Miss Mary (usually played by Margaret, with solid stand in appearances by Sue, Jen, and Judy) sort of showed what they thought of the power of the afterlife. Fuelled by 50p’s. 

[mjmooney]

22 minutes ago, Mandy Lifeboats said:

Short answer -  

If your phone was tapped, it was not by the Police or a UK government agency.  There was never a need to visit a home to install a tap. 

Private detectives or foreign agencies could not use the easiest method and often used devices planted in or near phones. 

 

Landlines have a stable electric current which the device could use.  It was often used to record conversations in the home and phone calls.  If this was the case, the wrong number calls were designed to get you talking about the possibility of a tap AFTER the receiver was replaced.  They would be hoping to hear things like "Should I tell x that they are on to him?"  or ""Tell x to say he's a mate from football when he next calls". 

 

That's interesting, thanks. 

There was definitely something going on, I guess I'll never know exactly what. 

[Mandy Lifeboats]

22 minutes ago, chrisp65 said:

Just to clarify my position there, even as a kid, the only way I could square it in my head was that women (and it was invariably women that paid the money for a reading) enjoyed it as a form of entertainment and if they heard something that had a vague truth to it or sounded nice n promising then they were happy to ‘believe’. If they heard something they didn’t fancy they could dismiss it as rubbish.

I was amazed that people would pay money to sit in a tent in a fair ground, with some lace and some spooky string and a red lightbulb, and be told there were changes ahead and they needed to grasp them and love was around the corner.

That the school mums took it in turns to be world renown as seen on tv famous predictor of futures Miss Mary (usually played by Margaret, with solid stand in appearances by Sue, Jen, and Judy) sort of showed what they thought of the power of the afterlife. Fuelled by 50p’s. 

Fortune telling in the form you describe is harmless and (imho) a form of entertainment.  

But telling someone that they will suffer a nasty accident unless they buy a sprig of ypur lucky heather is a different story. 

[mjmooney]

A huge percentage of the world's population adheres to religion of various sorts. We're a gullible species, rich pickings for grifters. 

[sidcow]

1 hour ago, mjmooney said:

I'm 100% sure I had my phone tapped in 1982-83. Very long story that I won't go into here (maybe another time), but a good friend of mine was involved with a Bulgarian woman who had some significant contacts. Two supposed BT engineers came round to 'repair' our land line (there had been nothing wrong with it), and we started getting the classic effects - a click and a slight drop in volume at the start of a call, a repeated 'wrong number' call from an English-speaking bloke in Hungary, who always wanted to have a social chat, etc. I did consider dismantling the phone to investigate, but decided that would might make me look more suspicious, so ignored it. Interesting times. 

Our phone was tapped when my brother became a Communications Officer in The Navy fluent in Russian. They told us they would do this as part of the security checks. 

My girlfriend at the time and I deliberately had loads of sex chat when we heard clicking. 

[Mandy Lifeboats]

31 minutes ago, mjmooney said:

That's interesting, thanks. 

There was definitely something going on, I guess I'll never know exactly what. 

It's too long ago.  

But any recent operation would have been outlined in detail and authoritised on a RIP1 form.  

90% of the content of this form would be given to you upon request 90% of the time as long as its not still part of an active matter. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/ripa-forms--2

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Authorisation of directed surveillance

I drafted many revisions to this form over the last 20 years.  

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[fightoffyour]

1 hour ago, bannedfromHandV said:

The entire universe is just a simulation being run on a machine built by some kid studying for their GCSE in IT in the real world.

The fries need more salt you little shit

[bannedfromHandV]

6 minutes ago, fightoffyour said:

The fries need more salt you little shit