HolteExile Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 (edited) His spell of good form around the turn of the year was crucial for us. We got a point (and probably should have won) at WBA, at a time when we couldn't manage a goal (or point) for love nor money. He was outstanding in that first half and in a few other games around that period. In the context of our season, his freekick v West Ham was absolutely crucial, as a previous poster alluded to. But those are the things we can blatently see on the pitch. Off it (and I am basing this largely on twitter and heresay, I admit) he comes across as a bit of an arrogant prick. Taking his two and bit years with us as a whole, he hasn't done enough to get away with being arrogant. So if Lambert sees anything remotely like that in training, sees the wages he's on and believes he can get better for far less, it's understandable he might have designs on bombing him out. For the right price, I wouldn't be totally against that either. But his career with us is salvageable with us - if the player himself wants that. He certainly has something to offer. Edited September 10, 2013 by HolteExile 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 It could be argued he is one of the more talented players we have. He really needs to prove himself, I for one hopes he can, then im sure he could cement his place back in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Is he frozen out or injured or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 12, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 12, 2013 It could be argued he is one of the more talented players we have. He really needs to prove himself, I for one hopes he can, then im sure he could cement his place back in the team. It could.... wouldn't make it right... but it could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBM Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 he has proven that he has the ability with the short bursts of skill now and again, but he cant keep it up every game, its a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 He'd probably benefit with a run of 5 or 6 starts . Problem is who do you drop ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
troon_villan Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Benteke - unproven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted September 12, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted September 12, 2013 He'd probably benefit with a run of 5 or 6 starts . Problem is who do you drop ? His only chance of 5 or 6 starts is a massive injury crisis now IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 13, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2013 he has proven that he has the ability with the short bursts of skill now and again, but he cant keep it up every game, its a problem We have different definitions of the word 'proven' it would seem. A few moments in seasons don't prove much in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfisher Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 He has great technical ability, which he has used to great effect assisting and scoring goals. But he can also be wasteful and casual and lazy, which is very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 He has always looked best as a second striker to me but he is just to inconsistent to change the system to incorporate him in this role. So he should be sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont_do_it_doug. Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 he has proven that he has the ability with the short bursts of skill now and again, but he cant keep it up every game, its a problem We have different definitions of the word 'proven' it would seem. A few moments in seasons don't prove much in my book. Do you not agree he has proven ability, but that he is also proven to be inconsistent and, dare I say it, a bit on the lazy side? Seems to be what Andy is saying. I like Charles a fair bit mind. I admire his flair and his rare ability to win a game all on his own. He's exciting, though incredibly frustrating, but I think he has things to offer us. I'd like to have him in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 My view......get him in! He is to me what Bannan was to Con. Without the heat maps ofcourse, Ohh and that much obsession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakid007 Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 Could be our match winner apart from benteke. Get him running at defences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 We have gotta at least give him a couple of straight games when fully fit. If Lambert leaves him out this season it will be a bad move. Surely he can offer as much if not more of what were seeing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myko Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Completely agree, Lambert got him working slightly harder than he has for any team in the past and also playing well offensively. If he can do that again he could be a huge asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerbs Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 He could be that creative spark behind the striker that we need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 It's desperate that we're looking at N'Zogbia as our 'creative' option in midfield, it highlights our lack of quality and creativity in midfield. As for N'Zogbia, he's an enigma, in a similar sort of way to Stephen Ireland. Charles, however has proved that he has the quality to win games in the Premier League, but his inconsistency is his downfall. But let's get one thing clear, he's not a 'winger' but he could play the wide left position we're currently working with, because it requires lots of runs on the inside and supporting the lone striker, which he is capable of doing. I'd still have a place for him in the squad and team becauseI don't think the current blend in midfield is good enough, but in the long term, we need someone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentVilla Posted September 15, 2013 Moderator Share Posted September 15, 2013 Do you not agree he has proven ability, but that he is also proven to be inconsistent and, dare I say it, a bit on the lazy side? Seems to be what Andy is saying. I like Charles a fair bit mind. I admire his flair and his rare ability to win a game all on his own. He's exciting, though incredibly frustrating, but I think he has things to offer us. I'd like to have him in the squad. Well yes but then every single professional footballer has proven ability don't they, they are after all professional footballers. So the term 'proven ability' is a little ambiguous or even dare I say it a little meaningless really. Sure N'Zogbia has had a few good moments, a few good games scattered over a few years but to be honest that doesn't really impress me, he has never really impressed me. So no, I don't see him as a proven talent in the way I think the term was originally used. As for the inconsistency point, it is another term I find a little frustrating as it is often used to describe people who just aren't actually good enough to be consistent if that makes any sense at all. Granted, unlike you I don't like N'Zogbia and never have done. I didn't like him at Wigan, I didn't like how selfish he was or how much he kept his head down and played for himself. I didn't like the way his form appeared to improve with every approaching transfer window and I didn't like the way he went back on an agreement to sign for McLeish at Small Heath by asking for another 10k a week as funny as I found it at the time. I think he is lazy, I think he has a questionable attitude and desire, I think he plays for himself and I seriously doubt his real passion for the game other than to earn lots of money. He isn't alone in these things, far from it sadly but then my scorn isn't limited to him alone. Personally I will be pleased to see him off the wage bill, my happiness will only be tempered by the fact that yet again we will have lost a millions on a player we should never have signed in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 He may be all these things and you maybe right. Problem is I don't think we have any better apart from the obvious in our squad at the moment. Is KEA, Westwood, lowton better. Ok there attitude may be better, but they are still inconsistent and at least NZog has experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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