Mantis Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Oh you know exactly what you've tried to do even without me having to point it out. Since you won't stop replying to my posts even after asking you twice now i'm going to engage the 'ignore button' and engage with posters who don't doctor their posts to suit their debate. I honestly have no idea what you're ranting about. How have I "doctored" my posts? You still haven't explained that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaCas Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 I honestly have no idea what you're ranting about. How have I "doctored" my posts? You still haven't explained that. Mantis - I suggest that you leave this one mate Sadly there posters out there whose only pleasure is to wind up the rest of us who like to have a rational discusiion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Oh you know exactly what you've tried to do even without me having to point it out. Since you won't stop replying to my posts even after asking you twice now i'm going to engage the 'ignore button' and engage with posters who don't doctor their posts to suit their debate. Just a quick observation. You could stop replying........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I guess for all those supporting Lambert.... we are hoping for a turn for the better in terms of results. without that the inevitable will remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodigan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 As you say up front, you're guessing. There is little point in this conversation going round and round until we see how much Lerner is actually prepared to spend in January, who Lambert would decide to buy with the money, and whether the January window is really the best place to find cheap players who are better quality than the current squad, which is what I take you to be guessing is the strategy. Also, we shall see if there is a sell-to-buy policy in place, i.e. is it essential for Lambert to sell apparently unwanted players like Dunne, Given, Makoun, Hutton, N'Zogbia (Bent?) etc., before he can bring in new blood? We can't force the players to go nor force other clubs to buy them. indeed, i did say i was guessing, but what i said i was guessing was the amount that PL was given in the summer. I don't think I made any suggestion anywhere as to who PL should buy now or in January. The purpose of my post was simply to set out where we were when he came in, where we are now, and how this may affect his transfer activity going forward. Actually, setting it out was more for me to be able to see how things looked objectively, and having done so, there appears to be something that is defensible as a strategy that has us where we are today, with a view to us being better in the near future. I am concerned that it has been cut too fine, and that there was an overestimation of the quality of the squad that we have today. However, to me it does make sense to me to have a core squad, spend time with them seeing who will make it, and who won't, and then looking to spend larger chunks on marquee players to fill the gaps that can't be filled with the players and the playing style we currently have. When PL was doing his transfer activity at the start of the summer, he had no idea what his first team squad looked like, or where the most pressing weaknesses were. If PL had bought established premier league players (by which I mean the likes of Berbatov, Charlie Adam, Adam Johnson, Junior Hoilett, Steven Fletcher, Diame) in the summer, they would have been substantially more expensive than the players that he bought in terms of transfer fee, wages or both. There was every chance, with no structure in place and no established first team, that, having blown our transfer kitty on two or three players, one or more of those players would have ended up like say Ireland or N'Zogbia when they first joined us - exciting players for their former teams who went on to not become first team regulars for us at the outset. QPR's summer purchases looked exactly like that, and mark my words, their transfer activity this summer will haunt them for years to come, as they will have to work out long term expensive contracts for aging players that aren't regularly starting, and have little resale value. In that regards, Tony Fernandes is very like RL, a wealthy owner, but not wealthy enough to simply give away say GBP200 million. look at the players that they have bought over the last couple of seasons who would now have expensive contracts, and who are not regularly playing for them. By my reckoning, over the last two years, they have bought or loaned Ryan Nelsen, Andy Johnson, Fabio, Park, Junior Hoilett, Jose Bosingwa, Julio Cesar, Rob Green, Granero, Mbia, Diakite, Zamora, Cisse, Onuoha, A Ferdinand, S Wright-Phillips, Bothroyd, K Dyer, DJ Campbell... now that's a nightmare waiting to happen.... Finally, as far as sell to buy, I don't think selling players who are not in consideration for the matchday squad represents a sell-to-buy policy. PL has said he doesn't want to sell Bent, which to me says that if Bent decides he wants to go, then it is something he may consider. Dunne, we don't know about because we haven't seen him fit enough to start in a PL XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briny_ear Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 When PL was doing his transfer activity at the start of the summer, he had no idea what his first team squad looked like, or where the most pressing weaknesses were. Lambert joined us on 2 June, which is pretty damned early for a premier league manager to start a new job in the summer. He had obviously been having discussions with the board about the squad prior to that. Any manager should be able to assess the strengths and weaknesses of his squad over a full pre-season. So a central plank of your argument sems to fall. As I say, you (and many other posters) are guessing that Lerner will make lots more money available in January and that Lambert will be able to buy better quality players than he has done so far, all of whom will be happy to join us for less than £40k a week, and that these will instantly gel into a better team. We shall see - I'm not ruling out that this may happen but it would be sensible to recognise there are many risks to this approach and none of it may happen if the money doesn't arrive in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 I think we really need to keep the score down in our next game GD is starting to become a worry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulTheVillan Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 No. It'll be a nervy one like last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted November 22, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted November 22, 2012 Oh you know exactly what you've tried to do even without me having to point it out. brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villaboy69 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 IMO Rodigan's post makes an awful lot of sense. The real test will be the January window. If PL continues with his policy of youngsters with potential I'm afraid that there will only be one outcome. Supplement the squad with 2/3 experienced quality premiership performers in key areas (defence/midfield I believe we have enough up top) then we will be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 brilliant Thankyou. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 No. It'll be a nervy one like last season. Really? We had McLeish last season who set his sides to draw games This season we have the opposite a manager that likes to go gung ho Don't get me wrong im a Fan of Lambert and what he's trying to do but we have to show Arsenal a little respect the weekend otherwise we could be on the end of another thrashing if we manage to go 2 up like we did against Manure we need to shut up shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roonst83 Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 IMO Rodigan's post makes an awful lot of sense. The real test will be the January window. If PL continues with his policy of youngsters with potential I'm afraid that there will only be one outcome. Supplement the squad with 2/3 experienced quality premiership performers in key areas (defence/midfield I believe we have enough up top) then we will be fine Im hoping PL tries to lure more players of the calibre of Clint Dempsey who he tried to get in the Summer transfer window - he is experienced and not a youngster so im sure our manager knows what's missing from our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papillon Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Us signing Clint Dempsey was as realistic as West Ham getting Beckham and Ronaldinho a few ago when they thought they were rich. Why we did bid I don't know, either to show off to the fans or to get Genk lowering their fee for Christian Benteke. It would be like Man City bidding 100M for Leo Messi, it would hit the newspapers but he would never go there. In this case, he was on the market but there were much bigger teams in the frame for him. As transfers go, we actually need to strengthen or we will be in deep shit. Our squad is top 15 material, but our extremely bad start to the season has dragged us into a battle you seriously don't want to be in come Christmas. Especially with this inexperienced squad, as panic will take over more easily IMO. Arsenal (h) Reading (h) QPR (a) Stoke (h) Liverpool (a) Chelsea (a) Tottenham (h) Wigan (h) These are our games before 2013, some winnable games in there - and some pretty solid losses on the cards. We really need to win 3 of the home games, as we have 5 home and 3 away. Away to Chelsea and Liverpool are really tough, also away to QPR who probably have a new manager in three weeks. A bad run in these games, with let's say one win and 5 losses and a few draws will see us in a battle all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Lamberts transfer policy in part is fine, noble and sustainable but it needs the odd smattering of a Dempsey, Nzonzi or Berbatov thrown in to make it successful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted November 22, 2012 Moderator Share Posted November 22, 2012 We will lose to Arsenal. I hope this thread doesn't go into overdrive. Our season has to start after that. Getting anything from this 3-game run against the CL sides was always a stretch. Many said we'd likely be in the bottom 3 afterwards. And we will be so it shouldn't be a surprise. It's what we do from then on that really matters. But we don't have much of a safety net. We really must hit the ground running against Reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Reading / QPR / Stoke has become a 7 point minimum run of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Reading / QPR / Stoke has become a 7 point minimum run of games. Quite right, its Liverpool Chelsea and Spurs after that! I think we will get 2 points out of the Reading/QPR/Stoke games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHV Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 We will lose to Arsenal. I hope this thread doesn't go into overdrive. Our season has to start after that. Getting anything from this 3-game run against the CL sides was always a stretch. Many said we'd likely be in the bottom 3 afterwards. And we will be so it shouldn't be a surprise. It's what we do from then on that really matters. But we don't have much of a safety net. We really must hit the ground running against Reading. It depends on the manner of defeat to Arsenal. Another hiding will not help matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Quite right, its Liverpool Chelsea and Spurs after that! I think we will get 2 points out of the Reading/QPR/Stoke games 2 points would be a nail in the coffin We need 9 ideally, 7 minimum as we have 3 tough games after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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