jacketspuds Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Because he wasn't ITK before, but he is now... This. On a side note it has now been over 275 pages since our last signing. That's a lot of discussion. I wonder how many of the 275 pages were used for actual speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCAM Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Twitter is bloody awash with news about Villa signing players... It's just infuriating that it's just players signing shit you buy from the club shop... Perhaps the club is on a sell to buy kind of policy...take a lot of shorts to buy a player mind... Gaffuw... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Think we need to face facts, not only is Lambert a wheel dealer but he also keeps his cards close to his chest ( maybe a bit too much ) . And lets be honest in the long term he wasnt going to get more money/resources from norwich than us ^^^ Not from Norwich maybe, but if we hadn't offered him a salary increase another club would have. He didn't need to take this job unless he's been given the tools to keep his profile as high as it is. Hmm maybe but then again why would he wait with norwich until that chance comes along. He has got a better squad at villa and will get more resources at villa irrelevant of who norwich sell to get a decent budget available. I agree he would have got snapped up by a bigger club if it wasn't us. But why would he take the risk of 'the one season wonder syndrome' with a fairly average club like norwich when he can go to a more secure job with a better weekly wage at villa ? Irrelevant of the budget RL offered it would have made sense to move from norwich ( Whom have grant holt as the highest earner on 20k ) . Im hoping we have a decent budget because we haven't spent at all yet but i cant see it this late in the market + we keep on offloading one before bringing in so its not looking too impressive money-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villaglint Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yes as I said I can see how you mean the same thing but just a change in language which maybe telling. I think everyone is frustrated because the board moved with uncharacteristic promptness in relieving our previous manager the Monday after the season finished. We got Lambert in relatively good time, made some early signings. We had Incognito on Twitter, Paul Faulkner in public and Richard on here all telling us to get ready for some good feeling to return. Even MM said Eck had told him there was money to spend in summer. So bearing all that in mind it is no wonder people are frustrated that we went into our first game with the same glaringly obvious gaps in our 1st team and squad that we've had for almost 2 years. Now I am an optimist and I wake up everyday hoping that it maybe the day when someone truly exciting joins. And I do remain hopeful that will happen in the next week and a half. If not then getting the right person is not easy and I would rather wait than buy further crap players for the sake of it and then end up paying them to be crap for another 3/4 years. If it takes a few windows so be it - we live in hope - and isn't that that main experience we get from supporting Villa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Think we need to face facts, not only is Lambert a wheel dealer but he also keeps his cards close to his chest ( maybe a bit too much ) . And lets be honest in the long term he wasnt going to get more money/resources from norwich than us ^^^ Not from Norwich maybe, but if we hadn't offered him a salary increase another club would have. He didn't need to take this job unless he's been given the tools to keep his profile as high as it is. Hmm maybe but then again why would he wait with norwich until that chance comes along. He has got a better squad at villa and will get more resources at villa irrelevant of who norwich sell to get a decent budget available. I agree he would have got snapped up by a bigger club if it wasn't us. But why would he take the risk of 'the one season wonder syndrome' with a fairly average club like norwich when he can go to a more secure job with a better weekly wage at villa ? Irrelevant of the budget RL offered it would have made sense to move from norwich ( Whom have grant holt as the highest earner on 20k ) . Im hoping we have a decent budget because we haven't spent at all yet but i cant see it this late in the market + we keep on offloading one before bringing in so its not looking too impressive money-wise. I'd rather hope that PL was carefully constructing his own career path rather than being scared of failing at Norwich. He doesn't seem short of self confidence does he... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bose Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Richard was extremely pessimistic about all things Villa less than three months ago. Now I don't know the man but it just seems to me that it must have taken something very extreme and concrete for him to change his tune so massively. Or maybe the Villa board just found the most negative man on VT, payed him to act like he had some inside info to get the ST sale going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbr600rr Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 its a bit frustrating when you see other teams getting better players in who were better than us last year,we on the other hand are playing catch up,i dont expect us to get a point against everton this sat..everton will be buzzing from beating united,everton start slow but this wont continue.i think we have spent 6m so far,i still think we need the likes off dunne/warnock/hutton/ireland off the books before the teams is rebuilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetrov Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I wouldn't think the head scout is highly paid - in relative terms. Its always a position that gets a lot of media coverage - then the head scout discovers nowt for a few years. Seems to me Lambert thought Norwich were going to suffer second season syndrome - and had only miminal resources to prevent this - thus he may have felt the Villa job for all its problems and lack of cash - was the better option. I still feel he hoped to sell a big name, Gabby, Ireland, Nzog - and that would give him funds to revamp the squad. that has happened - which is why our activity has been limited. It would be a major surprise to me if Lambert has significant funds now. you only have to look at the Vlaar deal - which had stalled until west ham came in for Collins, to see how the club is being run. So yes - I beleive it now feasible that Lambert came here knowing there was only limited cash available - Indeed if you think about it from Lerners point of view - part of the attraction of Lamber was what he had done with limited funds. I expect (at best) another £4m net to be spent. If PL wanted to leave Norwich for fear of second season syndrome, it doesn't mean he would have to take the Villa job. I'm sure there were other options, even if it mean biding his time a little once the managerial merry go round gets going. Wanting to leave Norwich, which I don't think was the case either as it happens, and joining Villa don't necessarily need to go hand in hand. As for Michael Henke, I'm sure he's paid more than the likes of Glen Roeder given his CV. Why bother if there's no cash? Actually by the time Lambert Joined villa - there weren't any other vacancies aside from WBA and Spurs - one the face of it we were the better option than one of those - and PL probably not quite ready for the other. I hope I am wrong - but I just don't think there is heaps of cash for Lambert to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cracker1234 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Or maybe the Villa board just found the most negative man on VT, payed him to act like he had some inside info to get the ST sale going. That had crossed my mind more than once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevangrealish Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Think we need to face facts, not only is Lambert a wheel dealer but he also keeps his cards close to his chest ( maybe a bit too much ) . And lets be honest in the long term he wasnt going to get more money/resources from norwich than us ^^^ Not from Norwich maybe, but if we hadn't offered him a salary increase another club would have. He didn't need to take this job unless he's been given the tools to keep his profile as high as it is. Hmm maybe but then again why would he wait with norwich until that chance comes along. He has got a better squad at villa and will get more resources at villa irrelevant of who norwich sell to get a decent budget available. I agree he would have got snapped up by a bigger club if it wasn't us. But why would he take the risk of 'the one season wonder syndrome' with a fairly average club like norwich when he can go to a more secure job with a better weekly wage at villa ? Irrelevant of the budget RL offered it would have made sense to move from norwich ( Whom have grant holt as the highest earner on 20k ) . Im hoping we have a decent budget because we haven't spent at all yet but i cant see it this late in the market + we keep on offloading one before bringing in so its not looking too impressive money-wise. I'd rather hope that PL was carefully constructing his own career path rather than being scared of failing at Norwich. He doesn't seem short of self confidence does he... I Agree, Whos to say he would have failed ? But why would he take the risk of failing. We all know what can happen to the one season wonder managers. And Phil Brown is a perfect example... Was at hull and was doing quality (Also linked with the england job at one point ) He's now a pundit ? Holloway is another but nowhere near as bad at the moment. Just for the record i didnt think Mcleish would take any shite from the players as he looked like one of those kind of managers. But look where that got him. Back to the 'dont judge a book by its cover' irrelevant of how self confident he may look he was probably just analysing his options and decided irrelevant of the budget offered in the long term it could work wonders for his own managerial career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Or maybe the Villa board just found the most negative man on VT, payed him to act like he had some inside info to get the ST sale going. That had crossed my mind more than once. If that was the case I would currently be in the Maldives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemanscott Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Or maybe the Villa board just found the most negative man on VT, payed him to act like he had some inside info to get the ST sale going. That had crossed my mind more than once. If that was the case I would currently be in the Maldives Mods, can we get an IP address check please? I have followed with excitement Richard's snippets of optimistic information but I must say the evidence so far suggests that we are pretty much selling before buying (you can argue over the technicalities but it generally seems to be the case). BUT, I am going to be patient and see how things pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanBalaban Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Or maybe the Villa board just found the most negative man on VT, payed him to act like he had some inside info to get the ST sale going. That had crossed my mind more than once. If that was the case I would currently be in the Maldives Nonsense Richard, we all know that Lerner won't spend that kind of money! :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Ellis was an arse and managed to sell to Lerner. If Lerner is not an arse, just who would he sell to? Well he appointed McLeish and thought that'd be a good idea. Let's face it, his decision making hasn't been very good. Something you were saying yourself only six months ago.About two and a half months actually! And to be honest it is an opinion I still hold, I am still extremely critical of the way the club was run for the past two and a half years, that does not change despite the fact that I now believe investment will be forthcoming and I am optimistic about the chances of us improving as a team. The way the club has been run is shambolic. I believe lessons have been learned, I also think that now needs to be demonstrated. Anyway my comment about who could Lerner find is more of a point to those who whilst supporting him suggest that we would have a crap owner next time. How can anyone who feels Lerner is a fantastic owner not believe he will sell to someone who is better? Afterall Ellis did, or so they believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CI Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Because he wasn't ITK before, but he is now... Based on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 A trip to tescos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 There is lots of speculation that we wont sign many more players of quality, the facts are as brilliant a signing Paul Lambert was if he isnt given the tools to do the job properly he will fail and I wont blame him 1 bit, I will walk away burn my season ticket and never come back until the clubn is in the right hands, I will not be complaining and shouting I will do that by stopping my hard eared money going into this what appears downwards club. Fair play to Rabdy if he dont wanna spend thats upto him I am just going to see what ahppens from now til the end of august and if it aint satisfactory to me I will always love the villa but ill become a sofa supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkyvilla Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 There is lots of speculation that we wont sign many more players of quality, the facts are as brilliant a signing Paul Lambert was if he isnt given the tools to do the job properly he will fail and I wont blame him 1 bit, I will walk away burn my season ticket and never come back until the clubn is in the right hands, I will not be complaining and shouting I will do that by stopping my hard eared money going into this what appears downwards club. Fair play to Rabdy if he dont wanna spend thats upto him I am just going to see what ahppens from now til the end of august and if it aint satisfactory to me I will always love the villa but ill become a sofa supporter. I just can't see why if Lambert only had £8m to spend he blew it so early in the window and almost half of it on a League 1 fullback. All logic points to getting a couple more players in imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 FYI http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-blackburns-1271009 Paul Lambert is ready to pay £2.5million AND Stephen Warnock to lure Martin Olsson from Blackburn. Aston Villa boss Lambert will rival Stoke in the battle to sign Sweden international left-back Olsson, who has handed in a transfer request at Ewood Park following Rovers' relegation from the Premier League. And Lambert is prepared to throw in Warnock - a Lancashire lad and a Blackburn player from 2007-09 - as part of the deal after telling the former England defender he has no future at Villa. Warnock was left out of Lambert’s squad for Saturday’s opening day defeat at West Ham and has only a year left on his existing deal. The 30-year-old is also interesting Sunderland, now managed by former Villa boss Martin O’Neill, while several Championship clubs have asked to take him on loan for the season. O’Neill needs a specialist left-back following the news that Kieran Richardson wants to leave the north-east club for family reasons. And Warnock would prefer to remain in the Premier League rather than return to Ewood Park, four years after Villa paid Blackburn £8m for him. Meanwhile, Villa midfielder Jean Makoun is now set to join Bordeaux on a season-long loan. Makoun also does not figure in Lambert's and had been linked with a similar switch to another French side, Rennes, but they have been dragging their feet over a deal. Former Villa manager Gerard Houllier paid £6m to sign Makoun from Lyon in January 2011. But the 29-year-old has only made 11 appearances for Villa and spent most of last season on loan at Greek side Olympiacos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanpabloangel18 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Woops, just seen the Olsson thread, nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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