Popular Post bickster Posted August 27, 2013 Moderator Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2013 The Associated Press @AP 6mBREAKING: Arab League says Syrian government to blame for chemical weapons attack that killed hundredsThey would though wouldn't they 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted August 27, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2013 The thing is, though - when you've got a country that's fighting a bitter civil war, between a brutal regime and various Al' Qaida and other disparate groups - the types who will eat the hearts of people they've killed, impose sharia law, brutalise the uninvolved and so on - really the only way to improve the situation is for a bunch of countries who have no business in that part of the world, and who its got nothing to do with, but who fancy themselves as a little bit tasty, to come along and start dropping bombs on the place. It always calms everybody down and works for the best, dunnit? what could possibly go wrong? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I don't think it matters either way whether NATO gets involved. It's going to be a mess if they stay out and a mess in they get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 Reuters poll today showing 91% of Americans are against military action in Syria...the people have no leverage at all, we are at the mercy of a runaway Military Industrial Complex whose appetite for war is insatiable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 The whole thing stinks. Perhaps a couple of years ago I'd have said hit the Assad regime, invade etc etc. not anymore. I don't believe what I'm being told on tv anymore. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted August 27, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Syria to be paid a visit by cruise missiles over the weekend, then. I wonder if they're learnt from Kosovo. Edited August 27, 2013 by Chindie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PompeyVillan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 I think we need to set our morals aside and realise we can't be the world police and our involvement is not for the 'good'. Bad things are going to happen and if we get involved every time we'll end up penniless and friendless. I'd rather we cruise missiled somewhere worthy of it, like Banbury or Small Heath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Avenue Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Looks like strikes are imminent based on noises out of London & Washington . Dear oh dear, do we have a say in this ??? Where is the democracy ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 27, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2013 Where is the democracy ???We don't live in one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnkarl Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 It sort of worked out in Libya, but that country is rather different to this one. The freedom fighters there were not extremists, and wanted elections. In Syria there's Al-Quaida against a crazy dictator - no one can win. Stay out of it, let them kill each other - most of the sane people have left for Turkey and other neighboring countries anyhow. I'd rather we aided in getting civilians out than bomb the place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) It sort of worked out in Libya, but that country is rather different to this one. The freedom fighters there were not extremists, and wanted elections. In Syria there's Al-Quaida against a crazy dictator - no one can win. Stay out of it, let them kill each other - most of the sane people have left for Turkey and other neighboring countries anyhow. I'd rather we aided in getting civilians out than bomb the place. Libya crippled by jihad & oil brawl 2 yrs after Gaddafi ouster Edited August 27, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Looks like strikes are imminent based on noises out of London & Washington . Dear oh dear, do we have a say in this ??? Where is the democracy ??? My MP has emailed, asking for views before Thursday. I gave him some views. They will be broadly sorted into for and against, the detail of the argument not read, the links not clicked. That will translate itself into a general sense of "how many people are bothered enough to reply, is there a clear consensus?". The calculation then will be, "Does the majority view of those who have replied to my e-mail accord with the directions given to me by my Chief Whip? If not, is there a large enough and strong enough majority against what I am being told to do by the Chief Whip, that I should be concerned? Will these people, if I don't do as they ask, be angry enough in two years time to vote against me? Would they have done so anyway? Does that outweigh the loss of possible preferment to a job handed out by the Chief Whip to people who do what they are told?" Such is democracy. It's simpler in the US, of course. Corporations control the whole thing more overtly than here, and buy virtually indistinguishable representatives from both of the two virtually indistinguishable parties. This is the "freedom" in pursuit of which the US rains down napalm, Agent Orange, and white phosphorous on unarmed peasants, and supplies chemical weapons to friendly dictators to use on whole tribes. When Putin says the West is acting in the Muslim world "like a monkey with a grenade", he understates the position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted August 27, 2013 Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2013 It sort of worked out in Libya, but that country is rather different to this one. The freedom fighters there were not extremists, and wanted elections. In Syria there's Al-Quaida against a crazy dictator - no one can win. Stay out of it, let them kill each other - most of the sane people have left for Turkey and other neighboring countries anyhow. I'd rather we aided in getting civilians out than bomb the place.Thats what any sensible country with no vested interests would do, why aren't USA, Uk et al proposing that? I think we all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 It sort of worked out in Libya, but that country is rather different to this one. The freedom fighters there were not extremists, and wanted elections. In Syria there's Al-Quaida against a crazy dictator - no one can win. Stay out of it, let them kill each other - most of the sane people have left for Turkey and other neighboring countries anyhow. I'd rather we aided in getting civilians out than bomb the place. Where did you get the "crazy dictator" idea? He's perfectly rational. He finds himself in one of the kingship dilemmas described so eloquently by Shakespeare, not of his making, and he's acting accordingly. I imagine if he'd pursued his training as an opthamologist, he'd be having dinner with friends in London now, or else visiting the theatre. He's no more crazed than you or me. I know that, because the voices told me so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Tim Marshall @Skytwitius 9h Meanwhile, Syria's Kurds are being ethnically cleansed by opposition forces. One of largest movements of people so far in war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 (edited) Where is the democracy ??? We don't live in one! Just because the government is doing something the majority don't agree with doesn't mean it isn't a democracy. That isn't how democracy is defined and it baffles me why people constantly bring up this point whenever the government does something they disagree with. Edited August 27, 2013 by Mantis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 The Limerick King @TheLimerickKing 6h So oil will be traded for gold As financial moves go, this is bold Missiles will fly People will die So Kleptocrats don't lose their hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Where is the democracy ??? We don't live in one! Just because the government is doing something the majority don't agree with doesn't mean it isn't a democracy. That isn't how democracy is defined and it baffles me why people constantly bring up this point whenever the government does something they disagree with. Wait, are you talking about Syria or the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Wait, are you talking about Syria or the UK? The UK obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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