PussEKatt Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 But still in some peoples eyes he's the best thing since sliced bread Nobody thinks this Lerner does ?! He thinks that McStupid is the man to not only cut wages but smart enough to get us into europe with the team with the lowest wage bill ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VillaGoMarching Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ok, So what our lowest every premier league points finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 But still in some peoples eyes he's the best thing since sliced bread Nobody thinks this Lerner does ?! He thinks that McLeish is the man to not only cut wages but smart enough to get us into europe with the team with the lowest wage bill ever. I doubt he does think it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 But still in some peoples eyes he's the best thing since sliced bread Nobody thinks this Lerner does ?! He thinks that McLeish is the man to not only cut wages but smart enough to get us into europe with the team with the lowest wage bill ever. I doubt he does think it. Well, he hired McStupid because he thinks he is the man for the job :?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Well, he hired McLeish because he thinks he is the man for the job :?: Right more very basic logic. Do you not think Randy has actually seen that we have underperformed and that McLeish hasnt done as well as he should. Just because he doesnt sack him doesnt mean he doesnt have a lesser opinion of him than he did have and certainly one that doesnt think he is the best thing since sliced bread as you argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Well, he hired McLeish because he thinks he is the man for the job :?: Right more very basic logic. Do you not think Randy has actually seen that we have underperformed and that McLeish hasnt done as well as he should. Just because he doesnt sack him doesnt mean he doesnt have a lesser opinion of him than he did have and certainly one that doesnt think he is the best thing since sliced bread as you argued. I did'nt say he was the best thing since sliced bread.I said that Lerner thinks he is the best man for the job. In my opinion Lerner is like Al Feyad,in other words he just wants a team in the Premier League ,, and what position that team finishes in dose'nt worry him, as long as we stay up ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdubber Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Problem I see is that we have actually done okay considering reforming the squad, stability from the younger players, etc. Certainly cut the wage bill, and, despite injuries to some of our biggest assets, we have managed to present a competitive team week in week out ( almost). Downside to this is that the manager will be given another few years to consolidate and build upon that, whereby most people doubt the guy`s ability beyond what he has done so far. Being involved with managers who have relegation experience is always a bit of a dubious association. That with the Blues was really forgivable, as the club was in turmoil, whereby the way things have gone here is not encouraging at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanky Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I did'nt say he was the best thing since sliced bread.I said that Lerner thinks he is the best man for the job. In my opinion Lerner is like Al Feyad,in other words he just wants a team in the Premier League ,, and what position that team finishes in dose'nt worry him, as long as we stay up ?! Lerner (Faulkner) really should have checked McLeish's record before he appointed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Well, he hired McLeish because he thinks he is the man for the job :?: Right more very basic logic. Do you not think Randy has actually seen that we have underperformed and that McLeish hasnt done as well as he should. Just because he doesnt sack him doesnt mean he doesnt have a lesser opinion of him than he did have and certainly one that doesnt think he is the best thing since sliced bread as you argued. I did'nt say he was the best thing since sliced bread.I said that Lerner thinks he is the best man for the job. You are hard work. Conversation went Ashvilla "Some people think he's the best thing since sliced bread" Me "Nobody thinks this" You "Lerner does" Hence you argued Lerner thinks he's he best thing since sliced bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PussEKatt Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 I did'nt say he was the best thing since sliced bread.I said that Lerner thinks he is the best man for the job. In my opinion Lerner is like Al Feyad,in other words he just wants a team in the Premier League ,, and what position that team finishes in dose'nt worry him, as long as we stay up ?! Lerner (Faulkner) really should have checked McLeish's record before he appointed him. They must have seen something in him,although stuffed if I can ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingsombrero Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ok, So what our lowest every premier league points finish? 42pts 2005/06 So after missing out on our home run this could end up being an historic record breaking season after all :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 A must win tonight, No excuses! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRO Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 If he signs a few Gems that turn out....all will be forgotten. He needs a successful time in the transfer Market ...not expensive buys because we are not in to that,just a few players that develop with us and make An impact. It can all be turned around. If kenny dalglish can cock it up any manager can. Mcleish needs a little more time a bit of money, injuries back and let's see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daweii Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Ok, So what our lowest every premier league points finish? 42pts 2005/06 So after missing out on our home run this could end up being an historic record breaking season after all :? McLeish after 17 games had 19 points.. In O'Leary's last season he had 17 points after 17 games. If McLeish can't beat 42 points when at the same point in O'Leary's last season he had 2 points more he is truly bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreveryoung Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 If he signs a few Gems that turn out....all will be forgotten. He needs a successful time in the transfer Market ...not expensive buys because we are not in to that,just a few players that develop with us and make An impact. It can all be turned around. If kenny dalglish can cock it up any manager can. Mcleish needs a little more time a bit of money, injuries back and let's see what he can do. Yeah the same as he did at blues, he had money there you know and did'nt sign 'gems'. He signed Dann, Vidic, Ridgewell to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 No way will we get 42 this season. Which would be a disgrace and make you think what would have to happen for Mcleish to be sacked. Keene and Martinez are still going, so what makes you think that McLeish will get the sack ?Yeah but they're not doing anywhere near as bad a job as McLeish is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yeah the same as he did at blues, he had money there you know and did'nt sign 'gems'. He signed Dann, Vidic, Ridgewell to name a few. Dann isn't a bad player TBF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coda Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 Vidic was a good signing :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 You still haven't answered my question. How do you know he decided that Albrighton was going to be good enough? Well it's pretty obvious. He lost young and downing and signed nzogbia. Not signing another winter obviously shows he was happy with just having nzogbia and albrighton as his two main wingers. He decided to sign a rb that wasn't needed and got a cm on loan that again wasn't really needed and also stood a good chance of getting injured. If he though albrighton was good enough he is an idiot. If he thought albrighton wasn't good enough and signed Hutton and jenas over a winger then he's an idiot. Either way it was a mistake and to claim he is a victim of circumstance is pathetic. Nzogbia cost as much as we paid for young, and he's failed to get the best out of him. No it doesn't obviously show that he was happy with Albrighton as first choice winger and neither you or i can prove otherwise. What we both know however that he wasn't given the Downing, Young money to replace like for like and he only had limited funding with Lerner's cutbacks. He had to buy a keeper. He also had to buy a specialized RB because we didn't have one in the same way he had to replace Friedal with Young leaving. So we didn't need a CM? Utter bollocks! We have needed a CM for quite some considerable time now especially when everyone could see that Makoun wasn't strong enough to cut it in the Premiership. If he'd had the budget, there would have been no doubt in my mind that he would have bought one but instead he brought Jenas in on loan which suggests to me the funding wasn't there to make another purchase after his previous signings. I think i have shown quite clearly that while AM has made mistakes, he also has without doubt been a victim of circumstances beyond his control which have contributed to where we are at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 But we hadn't an experienced specialized FB and thats why Hutton was purchased, to exactly strengthen a weakness! You cannot slate a manager for buying what we didn't have and had been crying out for some time. Thats what i mean by slating a manager just because you don't like him. No we didn't have an experienced specialist RB but we had several players that were experienced and capable of playing there. The point is we didn't have to buy a RB, it was McLeish's choice to buy one and in doing so use some of his limited resources. We certainly hadn't been "crying out for some time" for a RB, not even remotely. This isn't hindsight, this isn't a reaction to results. I said at the time we signed Hutton I thought we had other more pressing priorities. It has nothing to do with not liking him and everything to do with no rating him. I didn't say that purchasing Hutton made AM a victim of circumstance and i would suggest that you stop putting words in my mouth just to suit your debate. I'm not putting any words in your mouth, I simply disagree with your view that he had to buy a RB. I disagree with you that his hand was forced in this respect, it was his choice, his judgement call. McLeish isn't a victim of anything other than his own poor judgement and woeful approach to the game. I wholly agree with your point about O'Neill and as previously stated, thats why AM quickly identified the weakness at RB and purchased Hutton. We didn't have a weakness at RB though as I've already pointed out several times, we had 3 or 4 players who could play there and who all were probably at least as good as Hutton. Anyway this isn't about Hutton or our need for a RB its about our manager who has been a terrible appointment, has replicated exactly what he did at Birmingham . Your original point is that McLeish is in some way a victim of circumstance, like none of our failings are his fault, that things have gone against him, that he isn't responsible for the dire football the terrible results and the average signings. I don't think for one moment anyone thinks McLeish is the only problem at the club but he is no victim of circumstance, there are just too many similarities between our season and his performance at Birmingham to even suggest such a thing. Rather than repeating myself yet again i think we'll just have to agree to disagree on the matter but i enjoyed the debate. :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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