The, he's finally GONE! Tell us your thoughts Thread

[dudevillaisnice]

No.

[SeanO]

Never

[momo]

so now you are changing what you stated, you said they were in the relegation zone which is the bottom 3 teams, we werent , then you say it doesnt matter anyway? so why say it in the first place?

GC got a squad he was more than happy to work with, knowing he had a whole preseason and also could make his own signings, which he did, it gave him time to set his team up how HE wants it, it gave him time to tell all the players how he wants it played, it gave him time to get the tactics, style of play , defending, passing, movement and everything else.

people also seem to claim the team was much stronger last season for GH? no it was not, we had heskey as our only striker for many games up till january, we had a midfield which regularly had to include clark, hogg, herd, bannan, at least one of them and more often than not 2 of them.

we had collins and dunne acting like babies because the training and fitness regime changed and they didnt like it, warnock was slagging off birmingham, ireland was sent out on laon because he was head ****, which to be fare doesnt take much doing but being booted out of his boyhood club to a team with no manager probably didnt help much.

GH couldnt make any signings till january, he then got walker in who was playing championship footy for qpr, he got makoun who the jury for me is still out although he apparently has said he only came to play for GH and now doesnt want to be here now GH has left, he signed bent.

so when he had the chance to buy he did and got 2 out of 3 signings bang on, the other not so.

the results improved as we now had some belief as we had got a top forward, we still have that forward, the fact GC decides to play shit hoof ball and not to our star forwards strengths is all down to GC.

everything you have been watching this season is GC having the best working conditions he has had since rangers had money to spend in a 2 horse race.

so the dull anti football which is on display for 90% of the time, guess what? its down to the manager

the tactics? guess what 90% down to the manager

i say 90% as you cant forsee certain things, although in theory the manager should have a plan b so it should be 100% but just to be generous i will account just 90% off the shit we have had to endure this season down to GC.

you think the football being played under MON, GH and GC is pretty much the same?

i suggest you have not been watching the games then and merely looking at the results becasue there could not be a more different way in which GH and GC have set the teams up and played.

and yet again you havent answered the question on what would change your mind, it is not a suprise you keep avoiding answering it, people with blind faith cant see any other options.

IMO relegation zone and relegation places are too different things. Relegation zone is when you are in danger of getting relegated. But whatever, you know what I mean. 14th place is down there.

With regards to injuries, GH still had Ireland to use, as well as Carew, Warnock and Gabby etc. These players he did not utilize. That is the managers fault. Just because he doesn't like a player's personality does not mean he should throw them out of the team. It is bad management and left Villa short of players. And most importantly Downing, Young were basically ever present. With two players of that caliber and a main core of class players, you can afford to use Herd, Bannan or Hogg for a few games.

I've stated pros and cons for both managers before. GH had 24 million to use on Bent, 5 million on Macoun. etc... McLeish had probably minus 24 million to start with, Villa got approx 36 million for our wings, so that left McLeish with a budget of 12 million. That gave you Nzogbia.

What do you want me to change my mind of? We were in a worse position last year. I have stated that several times. You are of a different opinion. I couldn't care less. I care even less about our style of football. It is about winning.

Changing styles in the middle of the season, like Houllier did, was plain stupid. I am glad he didn't get a pre-season. To me he showed his lack of managerial talent by trying to change the teams style so drastically in the middle of the season.

[brummybloke]

its becoming boring now, its clear you would never change your opinion of GC, i have stated how and why i would change my views, you on the other hand have point blank refused to say what would change your opinions of him, i even made it really simple, by including would relegation change your views, yet again you wont answer.

gabby was injured and out for several games, so don't know where you magic that up from? 2 wingers and you can afford to have 2 complete novices with no game time in the middle because you have 2 wingers? oh my lord!

you claim GH had £24 for bent? so it must have been brilliant play from GH because we paid £18 million, a saving of £6 million, well done GH for saving the club £6 million.

you then claim GC had -£24 million to spend? jesus are you GC himself, your talking in my view utter rubbish backed up so far with no facts, no published figures, nothing.

he had a budget of £12 million so we signed nzogbia?

would that be nzogbia the scum had an agreed transfer price last january for around £8 million, january when the price of players is more?

but GC manages to pay more than that

you also forget that GC has actually signed 6 players so far

given - a good keeper with sus injury record, done well but has also been injured which is not surprising

hutton- been utter shit cost £3.5 million

jenas - utter shit

nzogbia - been at best decent for 20 minutes or in the odd game so more often than not has failed and disapointed in most of the time on the pitch so far.

keane - 2 shots which 19 out of 20 would not have gone in, both on the same day against his first club, went in, good for him and for villa becasue it got us 3 undeserved points having been outplayed and out battled by wolves for most of the match - in the game and a bit he has played i would say he has been good ( only down to the 2 goals)

enda stevens - probably wont see him play this season so cant really judge, didnt look great when against spurz in europe but cant say either way yet as he hasnt played.

so there we are 6 signings, only given has been reliably good, keane could possibly? nzogbia could eventually but has done nothing yet and cost a shit load of money, jenas and hutton? oh dear oh dear

your comments are boarding on fantasy, to try and fit in with your pro GC stance, no facts, just magical pixie numbers coming out of your head.

ridiculous

[AValon]

Bar him winning us the treble and Champions League for the next 5 years.........................................no.

[dont_do_it_doug.]

Who the **** is GC?

[Mantis]

TBH I'd still have him over houllier any day of the week.

Why?

I just couldn't stand the bloke.

He made me hate going to watch my team more than any other manager.

I don't think McLeish is much better in the personality department, not that it really matters at all.

Yeah, we weren't great to watch last season but we played better football than we are this season that's for sure.

Thats an opinion, its not one I share, watching Villa last season was one of the most painful seasons ever, its less so this season.

I can't imagine why anyone would prefer the football this season but that's your opinion I guess.

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

No. Why would I?

Who the **** is GC?

Alex McLeish - ginger cl**ge

[briny_ear]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

I've always rather liked him as a bloke.

Have become less and less impressed with him as manager of my club. :|

[CI]

As a bloke he seems likeable

He just needs to get the football tweaked now

[macandally]

villa were 14th with 2 games left, they were NOT in the relegation zone, as i say, i dont know what team you may have been watching but it sure couldnt have been villa if the team you were watching was in the relegation zone then.

as i said, what would it take for a CG supporter to change THEIR opinion of him? i notice you didnt answer.

Hi again.

Currently Villa are positioned at 11th place. How is 14th place before the last to games last season better than that? And 14th was relegations zone with 2 games to go. Two losses and Villa would have ended up at 42 points, 3 more than Birmingham who went down. Villa were probably safe before the two games, so it didn't matter anyway.

My point is, that there is not so much difference in table positions between the two managers. Houllier didn't get the pre-season, McLeish inherited a team with less quality and experience.

McLeish gets the nod for me because he has not utilized the squad much better then Houllier. He has not publicly hanged out players. In both cases there were/are too much happening outside the managers control, so it is only marginally differences between them.

I was really anti-Mcleish, but the football is not so much different then MONs, or Houlliers. Tactically MON was annoying, Houlliers was annoying and McLeish is annoying. That is why I am less anti-McLeish. I don't see the difference between the managers as clearly as people want it to be.

so now you are changing what you stated, you said they were in the relegation zone which is the bottom 3 teams, we werent , then you say it doesnt matter anyway? so why say it in the first place?

GC got a squad he was more than happy to work with, knowing he had a whole preseason and also could make his own signings, which he did, it gave him time to set his team up how HE wants it, it gave him time to tell all the players how he wants it played, it gave him time to get the tactics, style of play , defending, passing, movement and everything else.

people also seem to claim the team was much stronger last season for GH? no it was not, we had heskey as our only striker for many games up till january, we had a midfield which regularly had to include clark, hogg, herd, bannan, at least one of them and more often than not 2 of them.

we had collins and dunne acting like babies because the training and fitness regime changed and they didnt like it, warnock was slagging off birmingham, ireland was sent out on laon because he was head ****, which to be fare doesnt take much doing but being booted out of his boyhood club to a team with no manager probably didnt help much.

GH couldnt make any signings till january, he then got walker in who was playing championship footy for qpr, he got makoun who the jury for me is still out although he apparently has said he only came to play for GH and now doesnt want to be here now GH has left, he signed bent.

so when he had the chance to buy he did and got 2 out of 3 signings bang on, the other not so.

the results improved as we now had some belief as we had got a top forward, we still have that forward, the fact GC decides to play shit hoof ball and not to our star forwards strengths is all down to GC.

everything you have been watching this season is GC having the best working conditions he has had since rangers had money to spend in a 2 horse race.

so the dull anti football which is on display for 90% of the time, guess what? its down to the manager

the tactics? guess what 90% down to the manager

i say 90% as you cant forsee certain things, although in theory the manager should have a plan b so it should be 100% but just to be generous i will account just 90% off the shit we have had to endure this season down to GC.

you think the football being played under MON, GH and GC is pretty much the same?

i suggest you have not been watching the games then and merely looking at the results becasue there could not be a more different way in which GH and GC have set the teams up and played.

and yet again you havent answered the question on what would change your mind, it is not a suprise you keep avoiding answering it, people with blind faith cant see any other options.

A well thought out post in my opinion. Usually that means the chances are it will be ignored by those who trot out the same excuses in support of McLeish.

Pity the reasons to like him are so few and far between.

[macandally]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

Nope, not at all :|

[Dodgyknees]

I think he is a very sound and likeable guy, I would love to sit and listen to him talk.

BUT

His style of football, lack of tactical nous, his non-ability to change things when losing and other negatives are not welcomed at VP in my eyes.

[KHV]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

No

he has always been a shite manager and I have seen nothing from him so far that would suggest anything different.

Interesting to see some people think he is a nice bloke, from what I have seen from him in interviews he is a liar, he is unispiring and he is extremly dull. He is so dull he could talk a glass eye to sleep

[HolteExile]

As a bloke he seems likeable

He just needs to get the football tweaked now

Yeah.

Cart before the horse. That's how these things should work.

[Mantis]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

No

he has always been a shite manager and I have seen nothing from him so far that would suggest anything different.

Interesting to see some people think he is a nice bloke, from what I have seen from him in interviews he is a liar, he is unispiring and he is extremly dull. He is so dull he could talk a glass eye to sleep

Agreed. What's so likable about McLeish exactly?

[Woodytom]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

No

he has always been a shite manager and I have seen nothing from him so far that would suggest anything different.

Interesting to see some people think he is a nice bloke, from what I have seen from him in interviews he is a liar, he is unispiring and he is extremly dull. He is so dull he could talk a glass eye to sleep

Agreed. What's so likable about McLeish exactly?

What warrants the level of abuse he gets?

[Mantis]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

No

he has always been a shite manager and I have seen nothing from him so far that would suggest anything different.

Interesting to see some people think he is a nice bloke, from what I have seen from him in interviews he is a liar, he is unispiring and he is extremly dull. He is so dull he could talk a glass eye to sleep

Agreed. What's so likable about McLeish exactly?

What warrants the level of abuse he gets?

Negative anti-football.

Thanks for answering my question.

[Woodytom]

Is anyone else starting to warm to McLeish ?

No

he has always been a shite manager and I have seen nothing from him so far that would suggest anything different.

Interesting to see some people think he is a nice bloke, from what I have seen from him in interviews he is a liar, he is unispiring and he is extremly dull. He is so dull he could talk a glass eye to sleep

Agreed. What's so likable about McLeish exactly?

What warrants the level of abuse he gets?

Negative anti-football.

Thanks for answering my question.

Well its not that people like him so much. The abuse he gets off some folk is so over the top and uncalled for that those giving it out seem to think that anyone who has a more 'balanced', 'fair' and 'realistic' opinion of Mcliesh obviously thinks that the sun shines out of his arse, which is by no means true.

[CI]

I prefer him to GED by some distance

[markavfc40]

I'm yet to meet an Aston Villa fan who is happy that McLeish is manager. What I think we have is a large section of fans who have resigned themselves to the fact he is manager and will be for the short - medium term at least. Due to that there are supporters who are focusing on the few positives, however few and far between they may be, to make life as a Villa fan bearable. The other option to that is to continually focus solely on the negatives and make being an Aston Villa fan extremely hard work.

I've missed little more than a handful of games home and away over the last 18 months and its been bloody hard work and left me totally demoralised for the most part. What can you do though. I love this great club. You have to keep some chinks of light and try to focus on the positives to keep you going.