Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2012 Warnock is doomed here. Even if he turned it round and had the greatest finish to a season anyone's ever had, the fans will still hate him.No they won't. :? Ok, i've exaggerated. But the point is, if he played every game like he played today, he'd be a good fullback. But today has proved even if he has a good game, people just say he was shit.But he had a very poor game (as usual) today. Which is my point, and is why we won't agree. Because I don't think he did. At all. First half he was very good. Second half, average. But I think people are so blinded by their dislike for him, that they refuse to see any positives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve-67 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Whether he played well or not, and in my humble opinion, he was crap, he simply isn't good enough. Paid well over the odds for a very ordinary defender. Not good enough and I cannot wait until he leaves the club. Worst left back Villa have had since Bernie Gallagher (sorry Bernie!!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villarocker Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Whether he played well or not, and in my humble opinion, he was crap, he simply isn't good enough. Paid well over the odds for a very ordinary defender. Not good enough and I cannot wait until he leaves the club. Worst left back Villa have had since Bernie Gallagher (sorry Bernie!!). This all day, night and year long!!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemanscott Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 For every heroic block there are three flying lunges where he completely misses the ball (and occasionally looks like breaking a man's leg) and a couple of wayward passes that go directly to an opponent for no discernible reason whatsover. This isn't just every now and then either, it is literally every game and it's just not good enough for a Premier League team. I hope to God today was the final nail in the coffin and McLeish finds a way of replacing him (I honestly don't think Lichaj would make any more mistakes than Warnock). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. What are you talking about? Who's fond of him? He's been getting slated (rightly so on the most part) on here for months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villanfromluton Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 He was awful today, terrible positioning, passing awful, basically crap. When he first came, he was excellent, feck knows what has happened, but is a liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. What are you talking about? Who's fond of him? He's been getting slated (rightly so on the most part) on here for months!He's getting slated but he's also getting praised a lot for mythical good performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. What are you talking about? Who's fond of him? He's been getting slated (rightly so on the most part) on here for months!He's getting slated but he's also getting praised a lot for mythical good performances. I think, more than anything, you're proving my point. Anyway, this debate is pointless. So I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Warnock is doomed here. Even if he turned it round and had the greatest finish to a season anyone's ever had, the fans will still hate him.No they won't. :? Ok, i've exaggerated. But the point is, if he played every game like he played today, he'd be a good fullback. But today has proved even if he has a good game, people just say he was shit.But he had a very poor game (as usual) today. No he didn't have a poor game today, you just cannot give him any credit at all. He made no more mistakes than any other player on the pitch. To deny he has played ok in games this season suggests you are either unable to offer a balanced view or you just have an agenda against Warnock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. What are you talking about? Who's fond of him? He's been getting slated (rightly so on the most part) on here for months!He's getting slated but he's also getting praised a lot for mythical good performances. I think, more than anything, you're proving my point. Anyway, this debate is pointless. So I'm out.If anything you're proving my point about people praising him for mythical good performances. He was shit today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted February 5, 2012 VT Supporter Share Posted February 5, 2012 But your pointwas people did that because they were fond of him. I'm anything but fond of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyOne Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 He was shit today. He should have actually been sent off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie09 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 He was shit today. He should have actually been sent off. Not according to the pundits. Unless you saw something they didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blandy Posted February 6, 2012 Moderator Share Posted February 6, 2012 Houllier was right about Warnock Gérard Houllier may have been wrong about many things in his short-lived spell at Villa but he appears he was right about one: Stephen Warnock is a liability. After heading into his own goal under absolutely no pressure during Aston Villa's 2-2 draw with QPR, against Newcastle the left-back needed to start trying to salvage a reputation that has descended into farce in the past 18 months. It is hard to imagine that some people once considered Warnock to be the best English left-back after Ashley Cole (Leighton Baines probably was not among these, mind). Misplaced passes, a tendency to dawdle in possession and overly aggressive tackles to atone for his mistakes (viz the lunge that ended Ryan Taylor's game prior to Demba Ba's opener) have become the defender's stock in trade these days. He may have played no part in England's diabolical World Cup 2010 campaign but he, more than any other player in the 23-man squad, appears to have brought its stench home with him. He made Gabriel Obertan look like a world-beater at times on Sunday – a staggering feat. And he looked panicked in possession. At 30 years of age, and with hundreds of Premier League games behind him, he should at least look assured on the ball. He does not. Alex McLeish needs to make a populist decision or two to win over disgruntled Villa fans. Dropping Warnock would be a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrDuck Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Houllier was right about Warnock Gérard Houllier may have been wrong about many things in his short-lived spell at Villa but he appears he was right about one: Stephen Warnock is a liability. After heading into his own goal under absolutely no pressure during Aston Villa's 2-2 draw with QPR, against Newcastle the left-back needed to start trying to salvage a reputation that has descended into farce in the past 18 months. It is hard to imagine that some people once considered Warnock to be the best English left-back after Ashley Cole (Leighton Baines probably was not among these, mind). Misplaced passes, a tendency to dawdle in possession and overly aggressive tackles to atone for his mistakes (viz the lunge that ended Ryan Taylor's game prior to Demba Ba's opener) have become the defender's stock in trade these days. He may have played no part in England's diabolical World Cup 2010 campaign but he, more than any other player in the 23-man squad, appears to have brought its stench home with him. He made Gabriel Obertan look like a world-beater at times on Sunday – a staggering feat. And he looked panicked in possession. At 30 years of age, and with hundreds of Premier League games behind him, he should at least look assured on the ball. He does not. Alex McLeish needs to make a populist decision or two to win over disgruntled Villa fans. Dropping Warnock would be a start. Spot on I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houlston Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 He was poor yesterday, passing was poor and that tackle on Taylor easily could have been a red. I cant fault the lad for effort but bloody hell he's lacking quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrenm Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. What are you talking about? Who's fond of him? He's been getting slated (rightly so on the most part) on here for months!He's getting slated but he's also getting praised a lot for mythical good performances. I think, more than anything, you're proving my point. Anyway, this debate is pointless. So I'm out.If anything you're proving my point about people praising him for mythical good performances. He was shit today. Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you? please re-acquaint yourself with the site guidelines. Thank you. the mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantis Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 On the contrary, I think people are so blinded by their fondness for him that they refuse to recognise when he's played poorly. I'm being serious here. He's been consistently terrible for a couple of months now but rarely ever gets criticsed for it. What are you talking about? Who's fond of him? He's been getting slated (rightly so on the most part) on here for months!He's getting slated but he's also getting praised a lot for mythical good performances. I think, more than anything, you're proving my point. Anyway, this debate is pointless. So I'm out.If anything you're proving my point about people praising him for mythical good performances. He was shit today. Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?How so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Warnock has gone backwards in spectacular fashion, drop him for sure but replace with who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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