Redman

Sky Sports News reporting that Liverpool want to sell Carroll but he would only leave on loan.

I think all this concern about Carroll's character is misplaced to be honest. Since signing for Liverpool, the one thing that hasn't been a problem is his behaviour off-the-pitch.

Not even on loan? If he's available, I could see Villa being Liverpool's preferred option due to the potential for paying a large fee if it worked out and preferable to Carroll due to the size of the club.

De Jong is off to Germany

See what you're saying but isn't it a red herring? Limited ability players are limited ability whether they are from Liverpool or anywhere else. Carson and Carroll have nothing to do with each other. I agree that Carroll is Liverpool's problem but that doesn't mean he isn't somebody else's solution - I'm sure he is. Not necessarily Aston Villa's. Most likely Sam Allardyce's West Ham Utd in my opinion.

As a Liverpool supporter, I see sense in Carroll moving on loan to Villa or another club willing to pay a sizeable loan fee and subsidise his salary. If he doesn't fit Rodgers' philosophy even at his best, his value will only depreciate further. Unless somebody offers £15m + (which they won't), i say farm him out to whoever makes the best offer and see where we are next summer.

With Pako = Champions of Europe Without Pako = Zilch . No Correlation .? Jamie Carragher said himself that Benitez suffered when Pako left, he was badly missed by Rafa & the team. He even said it to me in the back of my car, but hey Pako was good as his job and he was popular. But he wasn't Peter Taylor.

So a bin dipper can just come on here and call Villa fans "**** mugs" and expect a welcome party ? Give over . Well, I hadn't seen that. If it was in response to some of the rubbish he's had to put up with on here though then I'm not surprised. If otherwise, fair enough - not a very good introduction to make. It was in response to being called a fucktard. Not that anybody other than Brumerican cares.

With Pako = Champions of Europe Without Pako = Zilch . No Correlation .? You're one of those people who doesn't know when they're beaten aren't you? You're one of those people who doesn't understand the term correlation. This is about pride, isn't it? You're not interested in the truth. So I'll take this opportunity to bow out of the discussion and the let the other site members review the evidence and decide for themselves.

Go ahead. I need a laugh. As long as it includes two defensive midfielders, and nicking cup games on away goals, Rafa is in. At Valencia he was only a coach, did not buy players. Valencia spent BIG money and won the league in a period where Real and Barca werent, even recently relegated deportivo won the league. At Plop, when he was given full control they finished 7th. The guy truely is a genius. More myths. Seriously, do you want to know the actual truth or not? If you're interested, I'll tell you. Myths or things you believe to be different? If you have proof i'm all ears. If not then dont bother. No, I mean actual myths. Massive ones. Like Valencia outspending Real Madrid. That was the galacticos era. They spent more money than any club in history smashing the world transfer record several times.

With Pako = Champions of Europe Without Pako = Zilch . No Correlation .? You're one of those people who doesn't know when they're beaten aren't you?

Go ahead. I need a laugh. As long as it includes two defensive midfielders, and nicking cup games on away goals, Rafa is in. At Valencia he was only a coach, did not buy players. Valencia spent BIG money and won the league in a period where Real and Barca werent, even recently relegated deportivo won the league. At Plop, when he was given full control they finished 7th. The guy truely is a genius. More myths. Seriously, do you want to know the actual truth or not? If you're interested, I'll tell you.

So your trophyless period of 2008-2010 minus Pako was better than your European Cup victory with him ? Interesting . I think I'd rather have that Pako fella running our club than vagina face. Mate, you've got no business calling anybody childish after this farce. Of course the CL victory was better but since when was a miraculous cup run any indication of progress? We finished 5th that season. Behind **** Everton. There's no correlation between Pako's departure and Liverpool's downfall. It's time to just accept it.

And what did you win in 2009 besides a few one off games again ? :winkold: This is like pulling teeth. What do you think Pako was? Some kind of cup competition mascot? We finished the 08/09 season with 86 points. 2 league defeats. That would have won us the title this season. Pako was just the fitness coach. Does that compute yet? But when he left they appointed a new assistant? Sammy Lee

And what did you win in 2009 besides a few one off games again ? :winkold: This is like pulling teeth. What do you think Pako was? Some kind of cup competition mascot? We finished the 08/09 season with 86 points. 2 league defeats. That would have won us the title this season. Pako was just the fitness coach. Does that compute yet?

Says who ? And the "accurate"information you provide would be irrelevant as we fans aren't involved in the hiring process. Seriously, what could we "use" that information for ? To change the poll from 2% to 3% ? Our very own Bickster and Chindie have given me far more interesting information about Benitez than you have and they're Villa fans . Benitez is nothing without his old assistant, but you don't mention that very often do you ? (which is strange for someone with the inside track on Beneathus. ) VT is only a tiny percentage of Villa fans and of that tiny percentage , only 2% would want him as our manager . You're fighting a losing battle and calling people "**** mugs" whilst doing so . Thanks for proving my point. Search the forum and you'll find I've debunked the Pako Ayesteran myth at least twice already. I'll do it again just for you: Pako was the fitness guy. A bloody good one. And popular. But a bit of basic research will tell you that he left in the summer of 2007 and Liverpool's best form under Rafa came in 2009. That was when we finished second, twatted you lot 5-0, twatted Real Madrid 5-0 on aggregate and twatted the Mancs 4-1 at Old Trafford. Where was Pako then? Tw at is such an ungly word, but i think it sums Mr Redman up perfectly. Do you not have some kind or plop forum to post on? Or have you been barred for being a tosser? I'm sorry, I can't take this post seriously because your avatar is a cute rabbit.

Says who ? And the "accurate"information you provide would be irrelevant as we fans aren't involved in the hiring process. Seriously, what could we "use" that information for ? To change the poll from 2% to 3% ? Our very own Bickster and Chindie have given me far more interesting information about Benitez than you have and they're Villa fans . Benitez is nothing without his old assistant, but you don't mention that very often do you ? (which is strange for someone with the inside track on Beneathus. ) VT is only a tiny percentage of Villa fans and of that tiny percentage , only 2% would want him as our manager . You're fighting a losing battle and calling people "**** mugs" whilst doing so . Thanks for proving my point. Search the forum and you'll find I've debunked the Pako Ayesteran myth at least twice already. I'll do it again just for you: Pako was the fitness guy. A bloody good one. And popular. But a bit of basic research will tell you that he left in the summer of 2007 and Liverpool's best form under Rafa came in 2009. That was when we finished second, twatted you lot 5-0, twatted Real Madrid 5-0 on aggregate and twatted the Mancs 4-1 at Old Trafford. Where was Pako then?

Well the information you're giving is not anything that we don't know or can't google which you have admitted as much yourself. If you look at the poll then only 2% of the voters want Rafa Beneathus so you are preaching to a small section of the site, and finally you do realise that it's not us Villa fans who are making the appointment right ? So I'm still unsure as to your "use". Isn't it obvious? If the other 98% did google, they might find themselves joining that 2%. Or they could realise I'm saving them the bother. Apparently, Rafa is a realistic candidate so if he is appointed, would accurate information not come in useful?

So the reason for your visit on here is what then ? Explained on the previous page. You have no posts on the previous page . Sorry, page before:

So the reason for your visit on here is what then ? Explained on the previous page.

Because you are not part of Liverpool Football Club's infrastructure, you are a supporter,and as a supporter you are not privy to any additional information to supporters of other clubs. I don't claim to offer you additional information. The information I'm offering is readily available but you're more interested in easily disproved misinformation. And this is appreciated, but you can't come round here spouting that 'Rafa iz teh god' when the stats all point in the opposite direction. That's the whole point. Scrutinise them and the stats don't point in the opposite direction.

What do you think i'm getting out of this you **** mug? Why do I care who you appoint as your next manager? Guess what - I don't. When it comes to certain subjects, I'm just aware that I'm better informed and inclined to pass on that information. And if you sharpened up for a moment, maybe you'd realise that. Oh get off your high horse! You know no more about Rafa than me. And if you weren't bothered who becomes the next Villa manager you wouldn't constantly be trolling the thread. Rafa took over a team that was capable of winning the champion's league with minimal tinkering (adding two to the squad) and left them languishing in 7th with no chance of regaining top 4 for a few years. What a guy. **** Rafa, I don't want that word removed anywhere near Villa. You haven't thought this through, have you? Why would you know more than me about a man who managed my club for 6 years? Like I said, I'm just providing information that you don't have. If you want to make an informed decision about one of your managerial candidates, I can actually be of use.

Hi,just wondering why Rafa wasn't even considered at Liverpool when Roy was sacked?? There is a reason and i know it but you won't admit it for some unkown reason! The reason was Kenny Dalglish. Kenny Dalglish was out of Management for over ten years at that stage,but the way your talking up Rafa he should have been given the job that he F**ked up so beautifully only 6 months previously! Surely going by your reasoning with a new board Rafa would have flourished?? Rafa is an utter Buffoon and a clown of the highest order and i'm confident that he will not be the manager of my great club! You don't know what you're talking about. That much is clear. It's like me coming on here and telling you how great O'Neill was, how he made you a top-6 side and how Lerner must be a complete **** idiot for not backing him. Please explain to me in some detail at least why this phenomenon that is Rafa Benitez,how or why he wasn't considered or re-employed as manager when Roy was sacked?? You say he was hamstrung and had his hands tied behind his back with your previous owners,so with new owners if Rafa is some sort of managerial genius,how come he wasn't re-hired by Liverpool?? If he is as good as you say he is, you would have re-hired him straight away! This. I'd love to.

Hi,just wondering why Rafa wasn't even considered at Liverpool when Roy was sacked?? There is a reason and i know it but you won't admit it for some unkown reason! The reason was Kenny Dalglish. Kenny Dalglish was out of Management for over ten years at that stage,but the way your talking up Rafa he should have been given the job that he F**ked up so beautifully only 6 months previously! Surely going by your reasoning with a new board Rafa would have flourished?? Rafa is an utter Buffoon and a clown of the highest order and i'm confident that he will not be the manager of my great club! You don't know what you're talking about. That much is clear. It's like me coming on here and telling you how great O'Neill was, how he made you a top-6 side and how Lerner must be a complete **** idiot for not backing him. Please explain to me in some detail at least why this phenomenon that is Rafa Benitez,how or why he wasn't considered or re-employed as manager when Roy was sacked?? You say he was hamstrung and had his hands tied behind his back with your previous owners,so with new owners if Rafa is some sort of managerial genius,how come he wasn't re-hired by Liverpool?? If he is as good as you say he is, you would have re-hired him straight away! Sorry mate - I'm not allowed. Otherwise I would.