CrackpotForeigner Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 malevolent western arms salesmen and military advisers (for whom a Venn diagram would be instructive). Haha. Brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterms Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 On a sort-of related issue, should we be asking more searching questions of our elected representatives about what sort of scutiny, if any at all, they exercise over the security forces, their part in the "war on drugs", and why they would appear to be either spectacularly inept, or else irredeemably corrupt. This is the main source of street heroin. The popular version has it that the damned muslims are increasing production to weaken the younger generation in the west. This table tells a slightly different story. I wonder if anyone has verified data to check against either this or the mainstream account? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrackpotForeigner Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 On a sort-of related issue, should we be asking more searching questions of our elected representatives about what sort of scutiny, if any at all, they exercise over the security forces, their part in the "war on drugs", and why they would appear to be either spectacularly inept, or else irredeemably corrupt. Inept? Nah. It's not really hurting anyone's chances of re-election. Corrupt? Probably not. They're unlikely to be benefitting financially. So the right word is probably just "despicable". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 So, with the Muslim Brotherhood HQ being ransacked in Egypt's latest round of revolution, are we seeing the 'average' Muslim finally turning against the hard-line Islamists? An interesting and positive development if that is the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Egypt protests 30,June 2013 against Morsey and the brotherhood in Alexandria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 So, with the Muslim Brotherhood HQ being ransacked in Egypt's latest round of revolution, are we seeing the 'average' Muslim finally turning against the hard-line Islamists? Some, clearly. Worth remembering though that it was the same 'average' Muslim families who elected them democratically 12 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chindie Posted July 1, 2013 VT Supporter Share Posted July 1, 2013 I'm not even sure it's the 'average Muslim' turning against them. It's the young cosmopolitan Muslim demographic that is revolting against the rise of Islamist political powers. Everyone else seems to either be in favour of them or, more likely, just quietly getting on with their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Well the Egyptian army have given the politicians 48 hours to sort it out otherwise the big boys will do it for them. Probably best all round to be honest.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Only thing is if the military can give ultimatums to a democratically elected governments .....you might as well have another dictatorship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) The Army are in charge of Egypt. The last revolution gained vital momentum when the army sided in favour of the people. Edited July 1, 2013 by CarewsEyebrowDesigner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maqroll Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Egypt protests 30,June 2013 against Morsey and the brotherhood in Alexandria Hehe, I dislike Obama, but that banner makes me laugh. They wanted Obama's support to oust Mubarak and bring in elections. Both happened, but now they don't like the way things turned out, so it's back to making demands on Washington. Farce. Coup is imminent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Egypt fought for democracy and now they are spunking it away by letting the military in who will find it hard to let go of power and if they dont like the next lad if there is one will get rid of him also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted July 1, 2013 Moderator Share Posted July 1, 2013 Egypt fought for democracy and now they are spunking it away by letting the military in who will find it hard to let go of power and if they dont like the next lad if there is one will get rid of him alsoTHey wouldn't have done it last time without the military Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Yes but an elected government that they have yearned for now puppets of said military ..might as well turn back the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Egypt fought for democracy and now they are spunking it away by letting the military in who will find it hard to let go of power and if they dont like the next lad if there is one will get rid of him also It's a tough call really. Looking around the neighbourhood at Syria et al. the army doesn't want to see Egypt slide into civil conflict, and neither does the rest of the world. Without the military as the final arbiter you end up with the two sides going hammer and tongs and eventually the military have to get involved anyway to restore order. At least this way the result is the same but it cuts out the civilian death and suffering part, and if they do propose this "road map" for a way forward there is a greater chance of resolving the thing peacefully - if the two sides look entrenched now it would be even more difficult to get a general agreement once a lot of blood has been spilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarewsEyebrowDesigner Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Well, today should be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCforever1991 Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) The Egyptian military protect the presidential palace from potential attacks on June 30. As of July 2, the military issued President Morsi a 48-hour ultimatum to solve the crisis or they will step in. A young Egyptian protester takes off his shoe, placing it into a Morsi poster, a serious sign of disrespect in Egypt. In the early morning hours of July 1, a small group of violent protesters tried to ransack and set fire to the Muslim Brotherhood headquarters in Moqattam. Members of the Muslim Brotherhood who were inside the building responded by firing ammunition. Edited July 3, 2013 by AVFCforever1991 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meath_Villan Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 there's egypt gone to shit again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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