JulieB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Very clever - stops other clubs jumping in with more cash at the last minute. Exactly!!.. And also explains why Leeds United, Watford FC and one or two other clubs IIRC have publically thanked Aston Villa for the way the signing of one of their players has been conducted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Explain "goes wrong" A player fails a medical or doesn't agree terms, for example. Then the money is refunded surely - yes the board have made mistakes, but they're not THAT stupid. Think it as a guarantee of exclusivity - we credit the money to your account. You bank the interest now. Only we get the right to talk to the player whilst you have our money. Deal goes belly up, we get the cash sum back, you keep the interest, deal goes through, consider yourselves already paid. Very clever - stops other clubs jumping in with more cash at the last minute. However Gazton who is a little shall we say ITK posted that in Bent's case £5M of the £10M was NON Refundable... so even if Bent had failed medical or the deal had fallen through SAFC would have been £5M better off. No wonder they couldn't resist accepting the bid and letting him talk to us. If Julie is correct....then it wouldn't be surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu_The_Villan Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Just looked at some YouTube clips and i gotta say N'Zogbia has got one hell of a shot on him. Its been a long time since we had somebody who could smash a 30 yarder into the top corner. N'Zogbia does that quite regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Explain "goes wrong" A player fails a medical or doesn't agree terms, for example. Then the money is refunded surely - yes the board have made mistakes, but they're not THAT stupid. Think it as a guarantee of exclusivity - we credit the money to your account. You bank the interest now. Only we get the right to talk to the player whilst you have our money. Deal goes belly up, we get the cash sum back, you keep the interest, deal goes through, consider yourselves already paid. Very clever - stops other clubs jumping in with more cash at the last minute. That wasn't the way it was put forward in Julie's post: However Gazton who is a little shall we say ITK posted that in Bent's case £5M of the £10M was NON Refundable... so even if Bent had failed medical or the deal had fallen through SAFC would have been £5M better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 If we can get Nzogbia, and only Nzogbia in to replace Young & Downing, then maybe we might see a return of the 41212 formation that saw us destroy Small Heath 5-1, perhaps Mcleish was taking notes on the day :winkold:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 If Julie is correct....then it wouldn't be surely. I hadn't heard that bit might I add - Gazton clarified that a few days ago. If Gazton is correct then in Bent's case YES had the deal fallen through we would have been out of pocket to the tune of £5M Not sure if a non refundable deposit is on offer with other deals, but such was our intent on signing Bent then in his case Lerner was prepared to take the risk. Plus it was a no brainer... I know for a fact Bent wanted to leave NE. He wasn't happy. Racist Newcastle fans didn't exactly make him welcome and if you've ever been to Sunderland ...beleive me you'd rather spend time in Newcastle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardvillan Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Fair enough Julie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 - - - - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - - Albrighton - - - - - - - N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - Ireland - - - - - - - - - - - - Bent - - Gabby - - - - - - Sexyyy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 - - - - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - - Albrighton - - - - - - - N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - Ireland - - - - - - - - - - - - Bent - - Gabby - - - - - - Sexyyy. Think that midfield would get ritually bummed each time it turned out. Would have to slide someone like Parker in alongside Makoun to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCU Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 - - - - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - - Albrighton - - - - - - - N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - Ireland - - - - - - - - - - - - Bent - - Gabby - - - - - - Sexyyy. Think that midfield would get ritually bummed each time it turned out. Would have to slide someone like Parker in alongside Makoun to make it work. You just mentioned bringing the 4-1-2-1-2 formation back so I gave you the formation. Now we will get bummed? /facepalm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coops_AVFC Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 That's got rape written all over it, sadly we wouldn't be the ones doing it. Not that I condone such actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Explain "goes wrong" A player fails a medical or doesn't agree terms, for example. Then the money is refunded surely - yes the board have made mistakes, but they're not THAT stupid. Think it as a guarantee of exclusivity - we credit the money to your account. You bank the interest now. Only we get the right to talk to the player whilst you have our money. Deal goes belly up, we get the cash sum back, you keep the interest, deal goes through, consider yourselves already paid. Very clever - stops other clubs jumping in with more cash at the last minute. However Gazton who is a little shall we say ITK posted that in Bent's case £5M of the £10M was NON Refundable... so even if Bent had failed medical or the deal had fallen through SAFC would have been £5M better off. No wonder they couldn't resist accepting the bid and letting him talk to us. If Julie is correct....then it wouldn't be surely. I think this may be the exception rather than the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillzz Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 - - - - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - - Albrighton - - - - - - - N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - Ireland - - - - - - - - - - - - Bent - - Gabby - - - - - - Sexyyy. Think that midfield would get ritually bummed each time it turned out. Would have to slide someone like Parker in alongside Makoun to make it work. You just mentioned bringing the 4-1-2-1-2 formation back so I gave you the formation. Now we will get bummed? /facepalm I realise this, and feel slightly guilty for bringing you to task over it. But I'd see Nzogbia or Ireland at the head of the attack, Parker in the Petrov Role, Makoun in the Barry role and Delph in the NRC role. i.e. Parker Delph Makoun Nzogbia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 Instead of: - - - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - - Albrighton - - - - - - - N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - Ireland - - - - - - - - - - - - Bent - - Gabby - - - - - - Think: - - - - - - - - - - - Given - - - - - - - - - - - - - Young ---- Cuellar---Dunne/Collins---Warnock - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - Parker- - - - - Albrighton - - Ireland- - - -N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - -Bent - - - - - - - - FA/Carling Cup Final 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieB Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I think this may be the exception rather than the rule. So do I. .....Like I said such was our intent on signing Bent. Can you imagine what might have happened had we NOT signed him last January?!!! In other deals I would surmise that on offer would be selling club would get any interest as someone mentioned and perhaps there is a small element of a % of the downpayment if the player failed the medical etc As Lord Sugar would say... In business you have to be prepared to take a risk sometimes. Apart from Newcastle pulling plug on Milner as I alluded too earlier I can't think of one single player that we ever lost out on that we've been publically linked with placing a bid since Randy Lerner took over? As for N'Zogbia He's black and He apparently still has a flat in Newcastle...That was fine when he was a Barcode...... Can't see him signing for Sunderland somehow personally. The Toon Army will make his life a misery. They trashed Darren Bent's car more than once and racially abused his Mum too! My son met Bent up at one of the bowling alley's in Newcastle before he joined us. Said he looked out of place and lonesome playing on the video games next to the bowling booths. He told me he'd heard the Toon army gave him hell cos he played for Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthEastVillan Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 - - - - - - - - - - - Given - - - - - - - - - - - - - Young ---- Cuellar---Dunne/Collins---Warnock - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - Parker- - - - - Albrighton - - Ireland- - - -N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - -Bent - - - - - - - - That makes me go weak at the knees. Add a decent wing backup and maybe a left back if Warnock takes a huff again and you'd be talking top 6-8 for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eames Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 - - - - - - - - - - - Given - - - - - - - - - - - - - Young ---- Cuellar---Dunne/Collins---Warnock - - - - Makoun - - - - - - - Parker- - - - - Albrighton - - Ireland- - - -N'Zogbia - - - - - - - - -Bent - - - - - - - - That makes me go weak at the knees. I often have that effect on people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLax Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 We still need more depth. If NZogbia gets injured, Ireland fails to find any form or Albirghton runs out of steam we are back struggling with Sunderland, Newcastle and Stoke for 10th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zak Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I put down a "non refundable deposite" down on my house. Basically i couldnt back out, but if the deal didnt go through for another reason i would have got my money back. Id say if he failed a medical or didnt want to come Villa would have got their money back. Although not 100% sure how failing a medical goes as im sure its not really an either you pass or fail so would be difficult to judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted July 15, 2011 Share Posted July 15, 2011 I think this may be the exception rather than the rule. Sure, rereading her post it was about Bent's 'deposit' being non-refundable and others may or may not be. It shows good faith, I agree, not sure about the genius bit, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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