Wurzel Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Jack is going nowhere. Unless Jack says he wants to go, and a club pays the extortionate fee Villa would want. So, Jack is going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villan501 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just seen Rob Dorsetts reporting on ssn this dosnt look like it's barely started. I totally understand that city wouldn't go straight in at 100mil but would play a slowly slowly approach but they must realise we have no need to sell so its pay up or walk away. I can see an offer coming in within next few days to test the water possibly starting at 85mil and then play it accordingly. Imo City have so many attackers grealish will want regular football which he will get but not 90minutes every week. City will guarantee trophies plus a big payrise but he will effectively not have the big fish tag like he's used to. Any drop in form and he's immediately under pressure from those around him. For me I want him to stay and carry on the project the owners have. If he has any doubts he should take a look at matt le tissier and Steven Gerrard they both came close to moving to big clubs but decided against it and both have said they had zero regrets. Your dream was to play for Aston Villa your boyhood club and also play for England you've achieved both, domestic trophies are achievable at the Villa and if all goes to plan Europe could be in the near future so make sure your passport dosnt run out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post QldVilla Posted July 30, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 It's easy for others to say, oh you sell Jack and you have 100m+ to spend on new players, but you can't replace him with something similar as these players want European football. The only way we get into Europe is by keeping our best players, not strengthening our competition. Villa doesn't have to do that anymore. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, KMitch said: Spurs did the same after the sold Bale... They reinvested poorly... Lamela, Soldado, Paulinho, Capoue, Chiriches, Chadli, & Eriksen. Eriksen was the only standout and Lamela turned into a decent rotation option but the rest were busts and it set the team back several years. I personally think the Spurs/Bale situation is badly misunderstood. After selling Bale they finished in the top 6 for ten consecutive seasons - an entire decade! Before that they often finished mid table. Yes, some of the initial signings post-Bale were flops, but the money gets recycled to some extent, and also goes on other resources - wages, stadium, training facilities, youth setup, etc. Spurs are in much better shape now then they were then, and a lot of that is down to the extraordinary fee they sold Bale for. For reasons I said earlier in the thread, I would be gutted if Jack left - and I think it would be a mistake on his part. But clearly there is a price where the club can say “we are getting a good deal out of this”, and we will continue to progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post danceoftheshamen Posted July 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, QldVilla said: It's easy for others to say, oh you sell Jack and you have 100m+ to spend on new players, but you can't replace him with something similar as these players want European football. The only way we get into Europe is by keeping our best players, not strengthening our competition. Villa doesn't have to do that anymore. Totally agree, The only way to stop this neverending cycle of the scummy 6 clubs retaining their dominance is to simply refuse to sell until you have all but closed the gap on them. It's the exact reason why the gap is there in the first place. Jack would be surely well aware of this as a Villa boy so i would be dismayed if he were to also repeat the same old boring cycle. Half these clubs only do it to clubs like us when they see us looming on the horizon as a potential threat. Does my head in and has done for decades. If for once we could stay strong and keep our best players for another couple of years it would clearly both help with us selling the dream to incoming new players and also close the gap a lot quicker than those above us would like. Then it's a different ball game entirely as if you get in those top 4 / 6 places others would come on the back of that and it becomes sustainable even if Grealish then did leave. So for me it's simply a year or two early for AVFC. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post QldVilla Posted July 30, 2021 VT Supporter Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, danceoftheshamen said: Totally agree, The only way to stop this neverending cycle of the scummy 6 clubs retaining their dominance is to simply refuse to sell until you have all but closed the gap on them. It's the exact reason why the gap is there in the first place. Jack would be surely well aware of this as a Villa boy so i would be dismayed if he were to also repeat the same old boring cycle. Half these clubs only do it to clubs like us when they see us looming on the horizon as a potential threat. Does my head in and has done for decades. If for once we could stay strong and keep our best players for another couple of years it would clearly both help with us selling the dream to incoming new players and also close the gap a lot quicker than those above us would like. Then it's a different ball game entirely as if you get in those top 4 / 6 places others would come on the back of that and it becomes sustainable even if Grealish then did leave. So for me it's simply a year or two early for AVFC. Yep, if Jack stays, Villa will play in Europe and win trophies in the next 3-4 years. Jack will bring millions of new fans to the club and sets the club up for the next 25 years. That's what Purslow and the owners see and you can't put a price on that. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) What I still don't understand after it has allegedly been a "done deal" for ages according to some, why would Grealish bother doing 3 smiley emojis with love hearts on Buendia social media post of his first day at training a couple of weeks ago? Edited July 30, 2021 by Kiwivillan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 So it appears in all of the leaks from the agent and from city there is no release fee, no ridiculous bid and no mention of Jack pushing for the move. We appear to hold all the cards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Kiwivillan said: What I still don't understand after it has allegedly been a "done deal" for ages according to some, why would Grealish bother doing 3 smiley emojis with love hearts on Buendia social media post of his first day at training a couple of weeks ago? I think he would really like to portray the narrative of how it was a tough choice for him, he was so tempted to stay, he loves the club etc. So he’ll have to have maintained a charade of a certain amount of engagement with club social media. Either that, or it simply that he was/is still currently paid to be the Captain of this club and has to do such stuff. If he does go, which I’m sadly pretty convinced of, he’ll say a genuine sad goodbye but he won’t look back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, DakotaVilla said: So it appears in all of the leaks from the agent and from city there is no release fee, no ridiculous bid and no mention of Jack pushing for the move. We appear to hold all the cards. We clearly don’t otherwise we would have just done what Levy did and say no. In all of this, we’ve not once said “no, not happening, get lost”. It’s always been, we hope he’ll sign a new contract, we hope to build a team around him. If we’re at the negotiating table for a player we don’t want to sell, we don’t hold all the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: I personally think the Spurs/Bale situation is badly misunderstood. After selling Bale they finished in the top 6 for ten consecutive seasons - an entire decade! Before that they often finished mid table. Yes, some of the initial signings post-Bale were flops, but the money gets recycled to some extent, and also goes on other resources - wages, stadium, training facilities, youth setup, etc. Spurs are in much better shape now then they were then, and a lot of that is down to the extraordinary fee they sold Bale for. For reasons I said earlier in the thread, I would be gutted if Jack left - and I think it would be a mistake on his part. But clearly there is a price where the club can say “we are getting a good deal out of this”, and we will continue to progress. It hasn't even been 10 years since they sold him to be fair. He left in 2013. Also right after they sold him they were in chaos before they signed Pochettino who completely overhauled the team. Too many flops signed by AVB, and they would have went they way Everton are currently going if Poch didn't develop some of their youngsters, despite finishing 5th and 6th. They got lucky their bad buys didn't do much lasting damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: We clearly don’t otherwise we would have just done what Levy did and say no. In all of this, we’ve not once said “no, not happening, get lost”. It’s always been, we hope he’ll sign a new contract, we hope to build a team around him. If we’re at the negotiating table for a player we don’t want to sell, we don’t hold all the cards. You got any quotes from the club saying any of that? We have absolutely no clue what they club are thinking or doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: what Levy did and say no According to reports like every damn transfer rumour article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just now, Keyblade said: You got any quotes from the club saying any of that? We have absolutely no clue what they club are thinking or doing. Go back to when his agent rang Jim White. The Villa PR machine came out pretty fast with some stuff along those lines. Not direct quotes but definitely fed into media sources. But you’re right, I don’t know for definite, we’ll see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KangarooVillan Posted July 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2021 I don’t really understand where the resignation to losing Jack is coming from? City are interested - confirmed We have prepared a new contract for Jack circa 200k - confirmed Jack’s currently on holiday - confirmed Aston Villa has any interest in entertaining an offer for Jack - unconfirmed Jack has any interest in joining Man City - unconfirmed Man City are currently being investigated for breach of FFP - confirmed Whats the big deal?? We just went through a similar process with ESR and nothing happened? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyblade Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, KangarooVillan said: I don’t really understand where the resignation to losing Jack is coming from? City are interested - confirmed We have prepared a new contract for Jack circa 200k - confirmed Jack’s currently on holiday - confirmed Aston Villa has any interest in entertaining an offer for Jack - unconfirmed Jack has any interest in joining Man City - unconfirmed Man City are currently being investigated for breach of FFP - confirmed Whats the big deal?? We just went through a similar process with ESR and nothing happened? We even made 2 official bids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just now, KangarooVillan said: I don’t really understand where the resignation to losing Jack is coming from? City are interested - confirmed We have prepared a new contract for Jack circa 200k - confirmed Jack’s currently on holiday - confirmed Aston Villa has any interest in entertaining an offer for Jack - unconfirmed Jack has any interest in joining Man City - unconfirmed Man City are currently being investigated for breach of FFP - confirmed Whats the big deal?? We just went through a similar process with ESR and nothing happened? Too much smoke. If we were the buying club fans in this situation, no way would we be doubting that this was likely to happen. There would be “it’s happening” gifs all over the shop. Look, I’m gutted about it, I would seriously love it if there were a massive plot twist and NWSE came good but I think he’s off. I hope I’m wrong. If it falls through now though, we’d be going through the same thing again in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwivillan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: Too much smoke. If we were the buying club fans in this situation, no way would we be doubting that this was likely to happen. There would be “it’s happening” gifs all over the shop. Look, I’m gutted about it, I would seriously love it if there were a massive plot twist and NWSE came good but I think he’s off. I hope I’m wrong. If it falls through now though, we’d be going through the same thing again in Jan. Nothing has changed last couple of days other than Sam Lee having a cry about people wanting Charity bets on the outcome and Romano tweeting the same bollocks that's been done to death for weeks. It's literally the same nonsense as has been for weeks and now people saying all this smoke and freaking out. On here there's been loads of It's happening gifs in Bailey Alvarez etc threads and last I checked none have signed Edited July 30, 2021 by Kiwivillan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Just now, Kiwivillan said: Nothing has changed last couple of days other than Sam Lee having a cry about people wanting Charity bets on the outcome and Romano tweeting the same bollocks that's been done to death for weeks. It's literally the same nonsense as has been for weeks and now people saying all this smoke and freaking out Maybe, you’re right. I hope you are. I just think if reports were incorrect, we’d have heard about it by now. Villa have their own journos. I think Percy would have been fed a little something to say it’s all rubbish that we’re negotiating. Because like people have said, it affects our transfer business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DakotaVilla Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: We clearly don’t otherwise we would have just done what Levy did and say no. In all of this, we’ve not once said “no, not happening, get lost”. It’s always been, we hope he’ll sign a new contract, we hope to build a team around him. If we’re at the negotiating table for a player we don’t want to sell, we don’t hold all the cards. You can’t say no if no one has made a bid and where is the evidence that we’re negotiating with City? As for Levy I’m glad that our owners nor Purslow aren’t playing to the crowd - we’re just getting on with our plans for the season. If I was going to bet money on any player going to City it would be Kane and not Jack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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