Popular Post KentVillan Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 Honestly shocked at people backing Keane's take in this thread. He's talking out of his back passage and so are you. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshharris12 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Telling grealish wasn’t crying at full time unlike the Carling cup and play off final he loves villa end off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, KentVillan said: Grealish didn't decide the order of penalty takers ffs. Why is his "heart" being criticised when it wasn't the problem? For all we know, Grealish wanted to take the first pen. I haven't criticized Jack and I made it quite clear in my original post it wasn't about who was right or wrong, manager, player, pundit or fan. You can't infer scenarios either regarding Jack, it's all hear say. He's not someone who steps up for Villa to take a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentVillan Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, QldVilla said: I haven't criticized Jack and I made it quite clear in my original post it wasn't about who was right or wrong, manager, player, pundit or fan. You can't infer scenarios either regarding Jack, it's all hear say. He's not someone who steps up for Villa to take a penalty. So what point are you making, then? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 He looked gutted to be fair but has been kept on the periphery so much the whole experience will have been soured. Cannot believe his name is being dragged into ‘the senior pro didn’t step up to take a penalty’ conversation. GS clearly gives him an order number and yet again doesn’t trust him. The lines of Roy Keane will have been amongst those telling him to suck it up and not moan when he was a subbed sub the other night and yet tonight he was supposed to be arguing with Southgate re penalty orders?! I would have loved to have seen more of him this tournament but have got on board with the team selections as we got so far but the second half was painful viewing today and it was obvious he should have come on much earlier, Mount (who I do like) was poor imo and we looked instantly better when Jack came on. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 19 minutes ago, joshharris12 said: Telling grealish wasn’t crying at full time unlike the Carling cup and play off final he loves villa end off Those gamed were sad. This game he was pissed because of an incompetent buffoon who makes tactics Tim look like a **** genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotoMkali Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 13 minutes ago, QldVilla said: I haven't criticized Jack and I made it quite clear in my original post it wasn't about who was right or wrong, manager, player, pundit or fan. You can't infer scenarios either regarding Jack, it's all hear say. He's not someone who steps up for Villa to take a penalty. I don't need to infer. Grealish has said a number of times if he is in the pitch during a penalty shootout he wants to be taking a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam2003 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 Just now, MotoMkali said: I don't need to infer. Grealish has said a number of times if he is in the pitch during a penalty shootout he wants to be taking a pen. Right, plus the one time it has ever happened in his career before tonight he stepped up and scored the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WallisFrizz Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 There was a pre tournament friendly in which Jordan Henderson, a senior pro, used his position to take a penalty off DCL and promptly missed. GS publicly criticised him for this and made it clear that his decisions re these things are set in stone. Yet now the senior pros are being criticised for not taking a penalty off Saka. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recircle Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 36 minutes ago, joshharris12 said: Telling grealish wasn’t crying at full time unlike the Carling cup and play off final he loves villa end off He wasn't involved enough - wasn't allowed to be - to feel the pain of most of the others were going through, and obviously didn't have to deal with the meltdown that comes with missing a shoot-out penalty . He probably felt unhappy, frustrated and a bit numb. I think even if England had sneaked it in the shoot-out, his celebrations wouldn't have been as wild as the players who played a longer match. He'd have joined in, but not with mad abandon (post-England win he might have offered himself up to be one of the first players to be interviewed after the game, since I don't think he would've been incoherent with joy). Edited July 12, 2021 by deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, KentVillan said: So what point are you making, then? Mate, I’m not hear to explain things that are obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 58 minutes ago, MotoMkali said: I don't need to infer. Grealish has said a number of times if he is in the pitch during a penalty shootout he wants to be taking a pen. That’s nice, again random stats or comments from you. Heres a tip, people are judged on their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, QldVilla said: That’s nice, again random stats or comments from you. Heres a tip, people are judged on their actions. So if all 10 outfield players want to take a pen..are they supposed to just scrap it out right then and there on the pitch as to who wants it more and who is better and taking them? Does that bode well for what comes next? Or do you think that Southgate would have been meticulous in his planning and already decided the order whether the players not involved in the five like it or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WallisFrizz Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, QldVilla said: Mate, I’m not hear to explain things that are obvious. You’ve decided he’s bottled it. A player that has never bottled anything ever. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 37 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: So if all 10 outfield players want to take a pen..are they supposed to just scrap it out right then and there on the pitch as to who wants it more and who is better and taking them? Does that bode well for what comes next? Or do you think that Southgate would have been meticulous in his planning and already decided the order whether the players not involved in the five like it or not. When you have a serious thought let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, WallisFrizz said: You’ve decided he’s bottled it. A player that has never bottled anything ever. I haven't decided anything, maybe you need to look at things objectively than with rose tinted glasses. If Southgate's narrative is correct and they have been decided on 100's of penalties over the past month in training, where was Jack? He either didn't participate or wasn't seen to be good enough by the coaching staff in the sessions to be in the Top 5, take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thug Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 2 hours ago, QldVilla said: Have you ever seen Keane not name names?? Your right Keane doesn't know the situation, but he has more than enough experience to know that a 19 yr old in his first tournament probably wasn't the right time to blood him and some of the leaders in the team probably should have protected him. Sorry, can’t agree with this at all. Who would say ‘sorry boss, but Saka shouldn’t be taking penalty number 5?’ That undermines the player. All you can expect of each player is to say ‘I’m willing to take one.’ And not hide. You can’t start saying someone else should or shouldn’t take one. What was he supposed to do? Walk up to Saka, take the ball out of his hands and say go back to the half way line little kid? This is the same ‘little kid’ who was being picked ahead of him ffs! If these players haven’t got the balls to handle pressure, they should be playing. It was poor decision making from Southgate. ANYONE disagreeing with Southgates penalty order would either have come across as arrogant, or dented the confidence of the player that they said shouldn’t take the penalty. That should be pretty obvious to ANYONE. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QldVilla Posted July 12, 2021 VT Supporter Share Posted July 12, 2021 Just now, Thug said: Sorry, can’t agree with this at all. Who would say ‘sorry boss, but Saka shouldn’t be taking penalty number 5?’ That undermines the player. All you can expect of each player is to say ‘I’m willing to take one.’ And not hide. You can’t start saying someone else should or shouldn’t take one. What was he supposed to do? Walk up to Saka, take the ball out of his hands and say go back to the half way line little kid? This is the same ‘little kid’ who was being picked ahead of him ffs! If these players haven’t got the balls to handle pressure, they should be playing. It was poor decision making from Southgate. ANYONE disagreeing with Southgates penalty order would either have come across as arrogant, or dented the confidence of the player that they said shouldn’t take the penalty. That should be pretty obvious to ANYONE. Yes you can, its called leadership. Leadership by the manager and leadership from the senior players. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thug Posted July 12, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, QldVilla said: Yes you can, its called leadership. Leadership by the manager and leadership from the senior players. The kind of leadership that Keppa showed when he refused to come off for Chelsea? Saying he was better than the keeper that the manager wanted to bring on? Because that’s called being petty and arrogant. It’s not called leadership. Penalty takers had been decided before hand. This would have been discussed and planned. For Jack to suddenly say at the last minute ‘no, I’ll take this.. not Saka’ would be arrogance beyond belief. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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