Bolitics The New Condem Government

[bickster]

Why should the working classes pay for the education of the middle class?

This isn't a class issue.

And those that go to university will contribute more in taxes back to the exchequer over their lifetime (on average) than those that don't, they are paying for it themselves, why should they pay twice?

On another separate note why should a nurse who has gone to University to do a nursing degree have to pay back thousands for years when someone else who is a nurse and has gone into nursing via the more traditional route not have to pay anything back. The situation actually leads to the better qualified nurse being less well off for a considerable time. Is that right or is that ridiculous?

[avfc89]

And so it begins...

Students are 'burden on the taxpayer' says David Willetts

I know the new NUS president and I can tell you now that he will lead a national strike if this goes ahead!

Rubbish, utter rubbish. I'm not surprised tho, it's the Tory way of creating an unequal Society where only the born wealthy can prosper without worries, and talented individuals from poor backgrounds get deterred by the debt.

How does your archaic socialist rhetoric marry up with the comments I’d made above about the situation?

It will deter people, I know this and have seen this with my own eyes last year, and that was at the current rate. Do you agree with the rise? Do you believe it's fair?

Socialist Rhetoric? I don't think it is; I guess someone who can look past himself and show some empathy for other people isn't the right attitude to have in your opinion.

I’d like to teach the world to sing yadadada.

If it’s deterring people, then its because they’ve been poorly advised. I too know the situation, I have been both an undergraduate and post-graduate student and I’ve got the sack load of debt to prove it. In the end though, the debt is manageable and the undergraduate debt in particular is peanuts.

Am I’m not wealthy either.

You didn't answer my question, do you believe a rise will be fair?

[kidlewis]

And so it begins...

Students are 'burden on the taxpayer' says David Willetts

I know the new NUS president and I can tell you now that he will lead a national strike if this goes ahead!

Rubbish, utter rubbish. I'm not surprised tho, it's the Tory way of creating an unequal Society where only the born wealthy can prosper without worries, and talented individuals from poor backgrounds get deterred by the debt.

How does your archaic socialist rhetoric marry up with the comments I’d made above about the situation?

It will deter people, I know this and have seen this with my own eyes last year, and that was at the current rate. Do you agree with the rise? Do you believe it's fair?

Socialist Rhetoric? I don't think it is; I guess someone who can look past himself and show some empathy for other people isn't the right attitude to have in your opinion.

I’d like to teach the world to sing yadadada.

If it’s deterring people, then its because they’ve been poorly advised. I too know the situation, I have been both an undergraduate and post-graduate student and I’ve got the sack load of debt to prove it. In the end though, the debt is manageable and the undergraduate debt in particular is peanuts.

Am I’m not wealthy either.

You didn't answer my question, do you believe a rise will be fair?

well the ideal is it stays the same for now and cut the number of people going to Uni.

[meregreen]

And so it begins...

Students are 'burden on the taxpayer' says David Willetts

I know the new NUS president and I can tell you now that he will lead a national strike if this goes ahead!

Rubbish, utter rubbish. I'm not surprised tho, it's the Tory way of creating an unequal Society where only the born wealthy can prosper without worries, and talented individuals from poor backgrounds get deterred by the debt.

and how does that tie up with Liebour saddling us all with over a trillion of debt. A debt that we will all have to pay back.

Has that created an unequal society do you think?

Nothing to do with toxic American loans being traded by greedy bankers then. Dear me Labour caused a worldwide recession all on their own. Your anti Labour agenda shines through yet again.

[kidlewis]

And so it begins...

Students are 'burden on the taxpayer' says David Willetts

I know the new NUS president and I can tell you now that he will lead a national strike if this goes ahead!

Rubbish, utter rubbish. I'm not surprised tho, it's the Tory way of creating an unequal Society where only the born wealthy can prosper without worries, and talented individuals from poor backgrounds get deterred by the debt.

and how does that tie up with Liebour saddling us all with over a trillion of debt. A debt that we will all have to pay back.

Has that created an unequal society do you think?

Nothing to do with toxic American loans being traded by greedy bankers then. Dear me Labour caused a worldwide recession all on their own. Your anti Labour agenda shines through yet again.

not but all our debt isn't down to that one single issue. Big chunks yes, but we could have been in a much better position before it hit.

[Risso]

And who failed to regulate the banks properly? Who set up the absolutely hopeless FSA?

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

People who have successfully graduated through University during a time when fees were next to nothing compared to now in '**** the poor at Uni' shocker.

Bunch of words removed. They'll even have the cheek to yap on about the past 13 years of Labour despite having no doubt prospered during their time in government, just because they lived beyond means and find themselves in a spot of bother.

I'm bored of wooly left/contemptous right rhetoric, it just goes around in circles and everyone is left looking a prat.

Someone should just press the **** delete button on whatever computers the deficit is stored on. Just a bunch of numbers derived from nothing other than our own greed and inability to find a better way of running society.

None the less the debate will continue, anti-Labour will come out saying every things a distaster and Browns a word removed, Labour supporters will come out and say 'No, it isn't and Camerons a word removed' while the Liberals will waver somewhere in the middle doing their best to keep everyone happy.

**** it. Bunch of nonsense.

[thetrees]

Someone should just press the **** delete button on whatever computers the deficit is stored on.

A cracking idea.

GB should have had us downgraded to a 3rd world nation, at which point he would have comfortably campaigned for the debt to be cancelled. :winkold:

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

Meh, it sounds stupid but it's no more stupid that basing a society on something that isn't there, we've had thousands of years of religion doing that exact thing. Money is no better.

[Ads]

Meh, it sounds stupid but it's no more stupid that basing a society on something that isn't there, we've had thousands of years of religion doing that exact thing. Money is no better.

Erm... but the money is there. It doesn't matter how intangible an asset is, it can still have extreme value and importance.

As an example, if Coke-Cola's factories all burned down globally over night, then CEO would still have enough Goodwill to re-build the company. If it was the other way round and the goodwill was vaporised, then he'd be up slack ally.

[avfc89]

And so it begins...

Students are 'burden on the taxpayer' says David Willetts

I know the new NUS president and I can tell you now that he will lead a national strike if this goes ahead!

Rubbish, utter rubbish. I'm not surprised tho, it's the Tory way of creating an unequal Society where only the born wealthy can prosper without worries, and talented individuals from poor backgrounds get deterred by the debt.

How does your archaic socialist rhetoric marry up with the comments I’d made above about the situation?

It will deter people, I know this and have seen this with my own eyes last year, and that was at the current rate. Do you agree with the rise? Do you believe it's fair?

Socialist Rhetoric? I don't think it is; I guess someone who can look past himself and show some empathy for other people isn't the right attitude to have in your opinion.

I’d like to teach the world to sing yadadada.

If it’s deterring people, then its because they’ve been poorly advised. I too know the situation, I have been both an undergraduate and post-graduate student and I’ve got the sack load of debt to prove it. In the end though, the debt is manageable and the undergraduate debt in particular is peanuts.

Am I’m not wealthy either.

You didn't answer my question, do you believe a rise will be fair?

well the ideal is it stays the same for now and cut the number of people going to Uni.

And what will these people do?

[CarewsEyebrowDesigner]

Erm... but the money is there. It doesn't matter how intangible an asset is, it can still have extreme value and importance.

We give it the value and importance. We can then turn around and say '**** that' if need be.

People seem to have this idea that money is more than what it actually is, and it's pathetic.

It is nothing. Sooner people get their head round that the better. Having people blinded by money and the desire for more of it create more ills in the world than it solves.

Obviously that will never happen, as long as people have their egos fed and fence around their homes to keep the peasants out, who cares right?

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I’m not sure which I prefer, avfc89’s socialist babbling on your anarchist rants!

[chrisp65]

.......And proof of the dumbing down of the entire country is here, students are threatening to go on strike, that is dumb. Back in the day, students would have had a march in London, the odd sit in to raise awareness (or kill the vice chancellor in my case, good job we brought the coffin along - :oops: most unfortunate) and gone along to the bar and had a few shandies and considered the job done, going on strike would have been obviously laughable

...ah the London March. That gave me a lovely flashback. All on the bus, drinking before we've left town, hammered and tired when we arrived in London. Subverting the protest chant so we had a call and response of 'what do we want?' answered with 'beaujolais nouveau please'. Then off down Carnaby Street to spend my insufficient grant on vinyl.

[bickster]

Can we get this back onto the subject of the new government please

[chrisp65]

The new govt has decided to cut 11% of costs at Companies House in Cardiff. Essentially the 'costs' of Companies House are its staff. So I'd guess in round numbers that's a decree from Central Offfice that CH has to shed about 120 jobs. Doubtless those 120 will be told in a few months time they are making the unemployment figures look bad and they should stop being feckless spongers and get a bike.

It would be nice to see the staff there told they can choose to all take a pay cut to secure everyone's jobs, albeit on lower pay. It would actually be clever tactics from the govt to offer that option, the staff might even reject the offer absolving the govt of the accusation of tory kneejerk sackings. We shall see.

[TrentVilla]

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned already in this thread (its hard to keep up) but the Government have not only rebranded the DCSF as the Department for Education (a needless change) they have also announced that they indend to close the GTC without giving any indication of what if anything will replace it.

Now I know and understand the need to reduce spending and I understand by nature the Conservative government wants to reduce the size and scope of government and her agencies but this seems like a very short sighted measure to me.

[Clarry]

Erm... but the money is there. It doesn't matter how intangible an asset is, it can still have extreme value and importance.

We give it the value and importance. We can then turn around and say '**** that' if need be.

People seem to have this idea that money is more than what it actually is, and it's pathetic.

It is nothing. Sooner people get their head round that the better. Having people blinded by money and the desire for more of it create more ills in the world than it solves.

Obviously that will never happen, as long as people have their egos fed and fence around their homes to keep the peasants out, who cares right?

Well said. It's how I approach life.

[Clarry]

And proof of the dumbing down of the entire country is here, students are threatening to go on strike, that is dumb. Back in the day, students would have had a march in London, the odd sit in to raise awareness (or kill the vice chancellor in my case, good job we brought the coffin along - :oops: most unfortunate) and gone along to the bar and had a few shandies and considered the job done, going on strike would have been obviously laughable

I remember a student march or two in Cardiff. On one, the leader of the student Socialist Worker's Party shouted "let's storm the Council" a huge cheer went up in agreement and he went charging up the steps with his flag, to find he was the only one who'd bothered.

We never used to strike, we had "work-ins". It was the only time some people had been in the University library.

[tonyh29]

close the GTC

I was under the impression that no one will miss the GTC and that most teachers weren't really aware of what the GTC did for them