Bolitics The New Condem Government

[avfc89]

good on cam that he is doubling the amount of money for the heroes in afganstan

I thought the Debt was holding us back in spending more? Hmmm I guess not on other things.

It is coming from savings in the defence budget in other areas and is not new money.

That's nice, I wonder if they'll have this much care for the Citizens in this Country when the cuts begin in other areas.

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good on cam that he is doubling the amount of money for the heroes in afganstan

I thought the Debt was holding us back in spending more? Hmmm I guess not on other things.

It is coming from savings in the defence budget in other areas and is not new money.

That's nice, I wonder if they'll have this much care for the Citizens in this Country when the cuts begin in other areas.

Citizens in this country?

You are aware that the foces in Afghanistan are not Sepoys aren’t you?

What were you babbling on about the other day, thinking of others or some such guff? Cleary your ideals don't extend to our armed forces.

[avfc89]

good on cam that he is doubling the amount of money for the heroes in afganstan

I thought the Debt was holding us back in spending more? Hmmm I guess not on other things.

It is coming from savings in the defence budget in other areas and is not new money.

That's nice, I wonder if they'll have this much care for the Citizens in this Country when the cuts begin in other areas.

Citizens of this country?

You are aware that the foces in Afghanistan aren’t Sepoys aren’t you?

I recognise they're Citizens and I commend them for their hard work in the "career" they chose. But I find it quite rich that we are making job cuts in other areas and we're not seeing alternatives given to the people who will lose their jobs. If they can be assiduous in other areas why not in this area also?

[Demitri_C]

That's nice, I wonder if they'll have this much care for the Citizens in this Country when the cuts begin in other areas.

sorry but i strongly disagree with this. the forces need to protected no matter the cost they are doing wonderful work for all of us and if it means cuts in other areas im strongly in favour of that.

[avfc89]

What were you babbling on about the other day, thinking of others or some such guff? Cleary your ideals don't extend to our armed forces.

Listen, I don't personally believe in this war or enforcing democracy on another Nation through warfare. And before you start saying "It's Labour's war" I understand that and still don't agree with it.

[tonyh29]

Even I don't get those sort of figures

well of course you wouldn't after all they made your argument look rather silly ..and false

so let's see what else we can hide

indeed ... on an unrelated matter what ever did happen to Jo Moore author of that shameful memo on Sept 12th

now what was the word that you like to use rather a lot ...... Hypocrisy

[Demitri_C]

i agree with you avfc with agreeing with war as i dont, but if we pull out now we failed all the people that have lost their lives over it. hopefully this war will not go on for too much longer so our boys can come home

[avfc89]

i agree with you avfc with agreeing with war as i dont, but if we pull out now we failed all the people that have lost their lives over it. hopefully this war will not go on for too much longer so our boys can come home

Exactly.

[Awol]

What were you babbling on about the other day, thinking of others or some such guff? Cleary your ideals don't extend to our armed forces.

Listen, I don't personally believe in this war or enforcing democracy on another Nation through warfare. And before you start saying "It's Labour's war" I understand that and still don't agree with it.

We are not trying to enforce democracy in Afghan, we are trying to hold the ring long enough to train up sufficient soldiers and police to allow us to make a reasonably dignified exit in 2012. Cameron and Co want us out asap so you should be pleased with them.

In relation to the coming cuts the army is expecting to lose 20% of it's man power, that will reduce it to the size it was before the Boer war. I know socialists generally dislike the armed forces so again this is something they should be celebrating.

[avfc89]

What were you babbling on about the other day, thinking of others or some such guff? Cleary your ideals don't extend to our armed forces.

Listen, I don't personally believe in this war or enforcing democracy on another Nation through warfare. And before you start saying "It's Labour's war" I understand that and still don't agree with it.

We are not trying to enforce democracy in Afghan, we are trying to hold the ring long enough to train up sufficient soldiers and police to allow us to make a reasonably dignified exit in 2012. Cameron and Co want us out asap so you should be pleased with them.

In relation to the coming cuts the army is expecting to lose 20% of it's man power, that will reduce it to the size it was before the Boer war. I know socialists generally dislike the armed forces so again this is something they should be celebrating.

I don't dislike the forces I just don't believe in this war as it goes deeper than Democracy; I believe a Nation should build its self by gradualism and experience like our Nation.

We ARE enforcing democracy on this Country, we are making the decisions for this Country.

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What were you babbling on about the other day, thinking of others or some such guff? Cleary your ideals don't extend to our armed forces.

Listen, I don't personally believe in this war or enforcing democracy on another Nation through warfare. And before you start saying "It's Labour's war" I understand that and still don't agree with it.

We are not trying to enforce democracy in Afghan, we are trying to hold the ring long enough to train up sufficient soldiers and police to allow us to make a reasonably dignified exit in 2012. Cameron and Co want us out asap so you should be pleased with them.

In relation to the coming cuts the army is expecting to lose 20% of it's man power, that will reduce it to the size it was before the Boer war. I know socialists generally dislike the armed forces so again this is something they should be celebrating.

I don't dislike the forces I just don't believe in this war as it goes deeper than Democracy; I believe a Nation should build its self by gradualism and experience like our Nation.

We ARE enforcing democracy on this Country, we are making the decisions for this Country.

So you prefer the alternative then?

Taliban hang 7 year old boy

[Awol]

I don't dislike the forces I just don't believe in this war as it goes deeper than Democracy

It doesn't even go as deep as democracy, let alone deeper. The Karzai government is profoundly corrupt, rigged the election and has thoroughly disabused the international community of any notions it has about setting up Afghanistan as a democracy.

I believe a Nation should build its self by gradualism and experience like our Nation.

Ok so if we leave tomorrow, for example, this is what Afghanistan can expect in the future as it 'builds itself' under Taliban rule:

Taleban’ execute 7-year-old boy in Afghanistan

A seven-year-old boy was murdered by the Taleban in an apparent act of retribution this week. Afghan officials said that the child was accused of spying for US and Nato forces and hanged from a tree in southern Afghanistan.

Daoud Ahmadi, the spokesman for the provincial governor of Helmand, said that the killing happened days after the boy’s grandfather, Abdul Woodod Alokozai, spoke out against militants in their home village.

Mr Ahmadi said: “His grandfather is a tribal elder in the village and the village is under the control of the Taleban. His grandfather said some good things about the Government and he formed a small group of people to stand against the Taleban. That’s why the Taleban killed his grandson in revenge.”

We ARE enforcing democracy on this Country, we are making the decisions for this Country.

No, we are not. Karzai's revolting government wants us there because if we weren't he and his narco peddling family would be toast. If we were making the decisions Dr Abdullah Abdullah would now be President instead.

[Awol]

Too fast for me, Ads.

[avfc89]

What were you babbling on about the other day, thinking of others or some such guff? Cleary your ideals don't extend to our armed forces.

Listen, I don't personally believe in this war or enforcing democracy on another Nation through warfare. And before you start saying "It's Labour's war" I understand that and still don't agree with it.

We are not trying to enforce democracy in Afghan, we are trying to hold the ring long enough to train up sufficient soldiers and police to allow us to make a reasonably dignified exit in 2012. Cameron and Co want us out asap so you should be pleased with them.

In relation to the coming cuts the army is expecting to lose 20% of it's man power, that will reduce it to the size it was before the Boer war. I know socialists generally dislike the armed forces so again this is something they should be celebrating.

I don't dislike the forces I just don't believe in this war as it goes deeper than Democracy; I believe a Nation should build its self by gradualism and experience like our Nation.

We ARE enforcing democracy on this Country, we are making the decisions for this Country.

So you prefer the alternative then?

Taliban hang 7 year old boy

That story doesn't shock me, it's an undeveloped Nation and a very backwards thinking Nation and that story is a testament to my view. Do I like that alternative? Of course not, I think you should be aware of our Nation's history, some of incidents in the past would outrage and anger you. Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated in a few years of enforced democracy by our forces?

[TrentVilla]

Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated in a few years of enforced democracy by our forces?

Unlikely but we can hope. I certainly think our presence makes it more likely to be stopped.

[avfc89]

Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated in a few years of enforced democracy by our forces?

Unlikely but we can hope. I certainly think our presence makes it more likely to be stopped.

You certainly would hope so.

[Richard]

Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated in a few years of enforced democracy by our forces?

Unlikely but we can hope. I certainly think our presence makes it more likely to be stopped.

You certainly would hope so.

So now I am confused. Do you want our presence there or not?

[TrentVilla]

Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated in a few years of enforced democracy by our forces?

Unlikely but we can hope. I certainly think our presence makes it more likely to be stopped.

You certainly would hope so.

So now I am confused. Do you want our presence there or not?

I think he is just saying he hopes some good comes from our presence, not sure why that is confusing really.

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Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated?

Yes. With enough support and training, the ANA and ANP will hopefully be in a position to monopolise violence- the corner stone of any successful state.

[avfc89]

Do you believe this kind of horrendous behaviour will be eradicated in a few years of enforced democracy by our forces?

Unlikely but we can hope. I certainly think our presence makes it more likely to be stopped.

You certainly would hope so.

So now I am confused. Do you want our presence there or not?

As Trent mentioned, you would "hope" it could have a positive impact on this Society, I don't believe it will and I think there's more profound reasons why we're in this Country.