LondonLax Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 If these sub-human creatures had done this to my kid, i would make it my mission to spend every minute dedicated to hunting them down... and when i eventually found them.... well lets just say i would go to jail for a lot longer than they did! Not if one of their family then hunted you down and got to you before the police did. It’s pretty stupid this whole vigilante thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I think this thread shoule be renamed the John Venables fan club. Ludicrous comment. Please explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 If you don't buy it, I think thats your problem and not the systems, because theres quite a lot of evidence for people from **** up backwards having **** up mentalities. Well that makes at least 2 of us with the problem. If there is eveidence that a "**** up background" gives someone "**** up Mentality" where does it say we have to tolerate it as that's what you're advocating Chindie. I don't give a shit where someone's "**** Up Mentailty" comes from that fact they have it is in no way an excuse for anything they do and the sooner we get this back into our thinking the better our society will become where does chindie state we have to tolerate it? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Charles bronson and Clint Eastwood aka Dirty Harry disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 8, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8, 2010 I think this thread shoule be renamed the John Venables fan club. Why? No one from what I've seen has said that he was right in doing what he did. I'm quite sure that everyone on here think it was a horrible crime. Just because some don't think he shoukld be sentenced to death doesn't make them a fan of him. I'm against death penalty no matter what. Doesn't exactly make me a fan of the Ted Bundy's of this world. Quite the opposite, AAMOF. To ask the mother about what she thinks is just wrong. She's not anywhere close to being able to look at this objectively. Exactly. Just because I don't agree with hanging two ten year old boys, regardless of what they did, doesn't mean I don't think what Venables did was wrong on the highest level. As I said, I'd be in favour of the death penalty in certain rare situations, i just don't see this as one of those situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiganvillain Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 If you don't buy it, I think thats your problem and not the systems, because theres quite a lot of evidence for people from **** up backwards having **** up mentalities. Well that makes at least 2 of us with the problem. If there is eveidence that a "**** up background" gives someone "**** up Mentality" where does it say we have to tolerate it as that's what you're advocating Chindie. I don't give a shit where someone's "**** Up Mentailty" comes from that fact they have it is in no way an excuse for anything they do and the sooner we get this back into our thinking the better our society will become where does chindie state we have to tolerate it? :? Ok lets call it "implying" or "Inferring" if that makes more sense to you Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wainy316 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I never said hang him, but from many of the posts on here, people appear to be trying to explain away what he did or make excuses for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 If these sub-human creatures had done this to my kid, i would make it my mission to spend every minute dedicated to hunting them down... and when i eventually found them.... well lets just say i would go to jail for a lot longer than they did! Not if one of their family then hunted you down and got to you before the police did. It’s pretty stupid this whole vigilante thing. and thats why the law needs to have a justice element to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I think this thread shoule be renamed the John Venables fan club. Why? No one from what I've seen has said that he was right in doing what he did. I'm quite sure that everyone on here think it was a horrible crime. Just because some don't think he shoukld be sentenced to death doesn't make them a fan of him. I'm against death penalty no matter what. Doesn't exactly make me a fan of the Ted Bundy's of this world. Quite the opposite, AAMOF. To ask the mother about what she thinks is just wrong. She's not anywhere close to being able to look at this objectively. Exactly. Just because I don't agree with hanging two ten year old boys, regardless of what they did, doesn't mean I don't think what Venables did was wrong on the highest level. As I said, I'd be in favour of the death penalty in certain rare situations, i just don't see this as one of those situations. Not being funny Steve, but they have tortured and murdered a small child, if that doesnt condemn them to death then what does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Not being funny Steve, but they have tortured and murdered a small child, if that doesnt condemn them to death then what does? putting your recycling rubbish in the wrong bin? :winkold: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 8, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8, 2010 Because they are 10! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Because they are 10! Oh...so that makes it ok then...'as you were people...they were only 10, they didnt know any better' Thats why this country is ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 A thought: if there's an obsession with anonymity - how the **** did his re-arrest become public knowledge in the first place? I thought that there was a suggestion that he had admitted who he was in the prison. Also, something was said, I think, about the paperwork when he went in to the prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ender4 Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 we live in the 'Excuse' era.. everything is someone else's fault. no-one wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore. and if we think the children were too young to be responsible, then their parents should have been jailed for 50 years each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevo985 Posted March 8, 2010 VT Supporter Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'd argue that this country would be more **** if we were hanging 10 year old children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrchnry Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 I'd argue that this country would be more **** if we were hanging 10 year old children. I dont think you can argue with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowychap Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Try telling that to James Bulgers mother or father...im sure you would very quickly be told in the most polite way possible to **** off. Try telling what? I wonder whether you'd do me the courtesy of answering the questions I posed? God forbid, but imagine if it was your own child... Why? I think it goes without saying that what happened was horrific and that it would have an awful effect upon the parents of the children and the public, in general. Is your argument that it should be up to the victim (or victim's relation) to decide upon the punishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bickster Posted March 8, 2010 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2010 Just heard Denise Fergusson (Jamies mother) on the radio saying she wants to be in the courtroom when Venables is tried for whatever crime he's committed this time, there is no reason on earth why she should have that right, if there is a trial, it will be for a totally different crime, unrelated to the murder of her son. In fact I'd go so far as to ban her from the courtroom for her own protection, she doesn't have any rights, legal or moral to be present at any unrelated trial. Its hard saying this and what she went through and continues to go through must have been terrible, but she really does need to let go, her and her army of advisors only serve to increase the threat of possible vigilantes. The press have also been typically irresponsible in all this, in fact that goes for all sections of the media, they've gone way past public interest and have started fuelling the fires that prevent justice. I'd hate to be a 27 year old up on trial for almost anything these days, thanks to the press hardly anyone of that age will get a fair trial right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOF Posted March 8, 2010 Moderator Share Posted March 8, 2010 Do we actually know what he did yet or are we still using the Sunday Mirror? Because so far the speculation has been 1. he had entered Liverpool which is against the terms of his release then 2. he was using drugs then 3. he had got into a fight in work then 4. he was caught with child porn then 5. he was part of a child porn ring Or are we still a baying mob with loads of anger but we're not quite sure what the reason is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggyrichard Posted March 8, 2010 Share Posted March 8, 2010 Try telling that to James Bulgers mother or father...im sure you would very quickly be told in the most polite way possible to **** off. Try telling what? I wonder whether you'd do me the courtesy of answering the questions I posed? God forbid, but imagine if it was your own child... Why? I think it goes without saying that what happened was horrific and that it would have an awful effect upon the parents of the children and the public, in general. Is your argument that it should be up to the victim (or victim's relation) to decide upon the punishment? Post the question again and i will gladly answer it. No, my arguement is that they should be held responsable for the crimes they committed, whatever the punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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