Demitri_C Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Spence vs mayweather would have been epic to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I dont know if Spence is a better fighter. Brooks probably come back too soon. That golovkin fight has probably ruined his career Spence was very good and tricky but i tjink if this was brook post golovkin i think he would have won I'm pretty convinced Spence is the better all rounder. Brook is flashier but Spence is great up close and can fight long too, also has more power. Not sure any version of Brook beats him, Brook didn't look damaged goods early on, Spence just got to him, finding nice little adjustments and grinding Brook down. Spence has a similar style to Hagler IMO. Edited May 27, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 26 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Fight went as I thought, high class stuff, the commentary, as ever on Sky, utterly abysmal. Froch is a total joke, I have no idea how he had Brook 5 rounds up at one point, and Adam Smith was an annoying as ever. Big loss to have no Paulie in the box. Froch is embarrassingly biased on his cards towards any British fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) Brook is done Cue his obligatory fight with Khan before he retires Hearn hype train in overdrive zzz Edited May 28, 2017 by AshVilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: I'm pretty convinced Spence is the better all rounder. Brook is flashier but Spence is great up close and can fight long too, also has more power. Not sure any version of Brook beats him, Brook didn't look damaged goods early on, Spence just got to him, finding nice little adjustments and grinding Brook down. Spence has a similar style to Hagler IMO. The thing is brook was dominating early rounds and he had spence where he wanted him. Then once again he suffered a eye injury which seems to have played a role as he couldnt seem to hit him in the later rounds. I think the weighy perhaps was a issue. Spence was goof though very good. Im not sure he will dominate the division like you say but we shall soon see. He needs to stop fighing bums now as really brook is only guy he has fought. Algeri is probably the only credible fighter he has fought other than brook. Thurman vs Spence should be the next one As for brook he needs to take a very long break. Khan hasnt boxed in how long? Brook came back to early in my view Edited May 28, 2017 by Demitri_C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: The thing is brook was dominating early rounds and he had spence where he wanted him. Then once again he suffered a eye injury which seems to have played a role as he couldnt seem to hit him in the later rounds. I think the weighy perhaps was a issue. Spence was goof though very good. Im not sure he will dominate the division like you say but we shall soon see. He needs to stop fighing bums now as really brook is only guy he has fought. Algeri is probably the only credible fighter he has fought other than brook. Thurman vs Spence should be the next one As for brook he needs to take a very long break. Khan hasnt boxed in how long? Brook came back to early in my view I have to disagree. Brook was not 'dominating', he won some of the early rounds not all, he was boxing very well, but Spence was landing shots and doing good things too, including working Brook's body which IMO slowed him down in from the 6th onwards, even before the eye injury you could see a visible change in Brook's energy levels. The fight was fairly even before the eye injury (don't be fooled by Sky team's bias) and even then, the injury was caused by a punch so not really 'unlucky'. I just don't think there's any excuses other than Spence being the better fighter. Harsh to say Spence needs to stop fighting bums lol, he's had 22 pro fights, Brook is a great win, Algieri is respectable given it was a knockout win, he is being moved up quickly, he has been a pro five years and now has a legit world title winning it against a legit welterweight in his own backyard by stoppage. Brook was still fighting journeymen after 22 fights. He was still fighting Frankie Gavin after more than 30 fights lol. Edited May 28, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 5 hours ago, AshVilla said: Brook is done Cue his obligatory fight with Khan before he retires Hearn hype train in overdrive zzz It was an excellent match up (another good fight brought to British soil thanks to Eddie Hearn) culminating in Brook being outclassed by the better man. Not sure you can really say there was any overhyping of Brook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villa4europe Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Broken eye socket, surgery later today didnt he break his jaw previously too? Needs to get on the calcium Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 28, 2017 Author Share Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, West said: It was an excellent match up (another good fight brought to British soil thanks to Eddie Hearn) culminating in Brook being outclassed by the better man. Not sure you can really say there was any overhyping of Brook. Agreed, Brook is an excellent welterweight, would pick him over Thurman, Pacquiao, Khan, Vargas, Bradley and Garcia, Spence is just a special fighter. I think Kell could have been better if he wasn't overprotected over the course of his career mind, I think he has missed out on some good learning experiences and that Golovkin fight was a bad idea, think it has shaved a year or two off his career. But yeah, still an excellent boxer. Edited May 28, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av1 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 2 hours ago, Dr_Pangloss said: Agreed, Brook is an excellent welterweight, would pick him over Thurman, Pacquiao, Khan, Vargas, Bradley and Garcia, Spence is just a special fighter. I think Kell could have been better if he wasn't overprotected over the course of his career mind, I think he has missed out on some good learning experiences and that Golovkin fight was a bad idea, think it has shaved a year or two off his career. But yeah, still an excellent boxer. So his first 20 odd fights were against nobody's, and his last 2 fights were guys many thought would outclass him? I may not be a huge boxing fan but I'm beginning to see why Hearn gets booed. That is terrible management from start to finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshVilla Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Just watched the fight again i had Brook about 4 rounds up going into round 6 then the fight just turned massively in Spence favor i'm not sure what adjustments he made or if kell switched off but round 7 was definitely the turning point. Spence is one of the most vicious body punchers i have seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, AshVilla said: Just watched the fight again i had Brook about 4 rounds up going into round 6 then the fight just turned massively in Spence favor i'm not sure what adjustments he made or if kell switched off but round 7 was definitely the turning point. Spence is one of the most vicious body punchers i have seen You answered your own question. It was the body shots that slowed Brook down. Edited May 29, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 14 hours ago, AshVilla said: Just watched the fight again i had Brook about 4 rounds up going into round 6 then the fight just turned massively in Spence favor i'm not sure what adjustments he made or if kell switched off but round 7 was definitely the turning point. Spence is one of the most vicious body punchers i have seen I do think it was a mental thing for brook. He even admits he had the eye in his thoughts of when consultant said to him if he boxed any longer agianst golovkin that he could have been blind in that eye. Hearn poorly advised him and that fight has ruined his career. He should have had his fight with spence then unify agianst Thurman if he got past spence. Then go up have a warm up fight at middleweight then fight golovokin. Hearn just cares about the money not hos boxers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 39 minutes ago, Demitri_C said: I do think it was a mental thing for brook. He even admits he had the eye in his thoughts of when consultant said to him if he boxed any longer agianst golovkin that he could have been blind in that eye. Hearn poorly advised him and that fight has ruined his career. He should have had his fight with spence then unify agianst Thurman if he got past spence. Then go up have a warm up fight at middleweight then fight golovokin. Hearn just cares about the money not hos boxers. No version of Brook beats Spence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVFCDAN Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: No version of Brook beats Spence. The version that didn't have his eye seriously messed up by Golovkin would have a much better chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, AVFCDAN said: The version that didn't have his eye seriously messed up by Golovkin would have a much better chance. I think it might have been the difference between a stoppage and the fight going the distance, but that's it. The eye injury probably would have happened anyway given it was Brook's other eye, the Golovkin experience probably influenced him to quit. I said before the fight that Spence's style is quite a bad one for Brook. He doesn't really cope well with pressure (Carsen Jones first fight and spells in the Porter fight), and Spence has a lot more skill and power than those fighters he struggled with (GGG aside). Edited May 29, 2017 by Dr_Pangloss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demitri_C Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 44 minutes ago, Dr_Pangloss said: No version of Brook beats Spence. That's debatable in my eyes mate although you do raise some good points. I think brook was in control for the first six rounds then the eye started to swell up again and it caused brook problems in top of Spences change in tactics. i think if this was pre golovkin he may have won this fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Pangloss Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 hour ago, Demitri_C said: That's debatable in my eyes mate although you do raise some good points. I think brook was in control for the first six rounds then the eye started to swell up again and it caused brook problems in top of Spences change in tactics. i think if this was pre golovkin he may have won this fight I'd implore you to watch the fight again, ideally with the sound off, he wasn't in control, he was winning rounds, but it was competitive, and Spence won at least 2 of the first 6 rounds, Brook slowed down before his eye blew up due to Spence's body attacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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